Pros and Cons of circumcision?

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I am not circumcised. I wanna know, whats the difference?

[Big Quasimodo]

I am. From what I can tell, the difference comes down to societal norms, on the one hand, and sensitivity, on the other.

If it had been my choice, and I made it at age 13, I would be circumcised.

If it had been my choice, and I made it at age 35, I would be uncircumcised.

To me, those satements illustrate the power of conformance upon the young, and the development of self confidence as one ages.

[TeeSeeJay]

Originally posted by Big Quasimodo
I am. From what I can tell, the difference comes down to societal norms, on the one hand, and sensitivity, on the other.

If it had been my choice, and I made it at age 13, I would be circumcised.

If it had been my choice, and I made it at age 35, I would be uncircumcised.

To me, those satements illustrate the power of conformance upon the young, and the development of self confidence as one ages.

I gotta ask, what is it about being 35 that makes you wish you hadn't been cut? Age 13 makes sense -- you wanna look like the other kids in the shower at gym. But -- what are you missing out on?

[Big Quasimodo]

The increased sensitivity (prmarily)and a preference for looking "natural" (mild).

[fmian]

I'm circumcised but have heard women complain about dick cheese. Number One reason to get it cut off. As far as I know women prefer the way circumcised penises look, but I've also heard that uncut men can masturbate without lube.

[suziq999]

I prefer un-cut. Why would you whack yourself down there? As long as you shower regularly, there is NO such thing as dick cheese. That's a complete myth.

[PerpleNerple]

Originally posted by suziq999
I prefer un-cut. Why would you whack yourself down there? As long as you shower regularly, there is NO such thing as dick cheese. That's a complete myth.

If not, then why is there a definition for it?

Smegma - A cheese like substance on the foreskin of a penis or clitoris


smegma link (http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/inspect.htm)

[clemente]

As long as you clean your stuff there's no problem- s/he's not saying that it doesn't exist.

And un-cut men can masturbate without lube.

[suziq999]

Originally posted by PerpleNerple


If not, then why is there a definition for it?

Smegma - A cheese like substance on the foreskin of a penis or clitoris


smegma link (http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/inspect.htm)

clitoral dick cheese? hahaha. Look, I think maybe a many many years ago when people didn't shower on a regular basis, yes guys might have had good reason to get chopped. Now, with the advent of indoor plumbing and soap, I don't think dick cheese really exists anymore.

[Bushdog]

It represents my covenant with the Lord. That's all I need.

I'm not too sure one way is better than the other. People tend to have individual preferences and some people get pretty bent out of shape when you disagree with them on this topic.

[Huge Bean]

Originally posted by Bushdog
some people get pretty bent out of shape
:eek:

[Betho]

Originally posted by PerpleNerple


If not, then why is there a definition for it?

Smegma - A cheese like substance on the foreskin of a penis or clitoris


smegma link (http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/inspect.htm)

Smegma is a waxy substance that accumulates on genitals, be it human or animal. As a horse owner, I have to clean it off my animals periodically because THEY don't shower on a daily basis.

Just because a term exists doesn't mean it necessarily has to apply to humans... I agree with suzi that if you shower on a regular basis, it doesn't exist.

I prefer uncircumcised. More sensitivity and I don't see any point in the circumcision, unless it's a religious thing. Like I said in the other thread, no doctor will ever come near my babies (if I have any) with a knife.

[fmian]

Originally posted by Betho
I agree with suzi that if you shower on a regular basis, it doesn't exist.


I don't see how just having a simple shower or bath will get rid of it. Considering you have to peel the foreskin back and wash vigorously, or stick your finger under the foreskin and wash it away.
It's like saying you wash your hair with a showercap on.
And just because you have a shower everyday doesn't mean that everyone else does. And even if they did I'm sure there would be many a male out there who neglected to do it properly once in a while, especially children and teenagers.
Seriously, dismissing it as a myth is just silly.

[Betho]

Originally posted by fmian


I don't see how just having a simple shower or bath will get rid of it. Considering you have to peel the foreskin back and wash vigorously, or stick your finger under the foreskin and wash it away.
It's like saying you wash your hair with a showercap on.
And just because you have a shower everyday doesn't mean that everyone else does. And even if they did I'm sure there would be many a male out there who neglected to do it properly once in a while, especially children and teenagers.
Seriously, dismissing it as a myth is just silly.

I'm not dismissing it as a myth. I'm sure if a man didn't clean his penis for a couple of weeks, he would develop smegma. What I am saying is that if you shower every day or every other day, the "dick cheese" isn't going to accumulate, therefore exist. I'm sure there are lots of males with uncut penises who neglect to clean under the foreskin, but cleaning underneath the foreskin should be a part of daily hygiene, just the same as I wash my privates when I take a shower. If I stopped washing myself when I took a shower, I'd develop smegma too.

ALl I'm saying is that just because a man is uncut, that doesn't mean he automatically gets smegma. It means that there's about .5 second more washing to do in the shower, if that.

[ravan]

Originally posted by clemente
And un-cut men can masturbate without lube.

Yes we can!

[Trelach24]

Who uses lube? :yack: So messy.

I'm cut and I NEVER use lube.

[ziggy]

I'm cut (and never use lube either) and fairly well pissed off about it.

Nobody asked me.

I feel mutilated; its barbaric to cut off a part of someone for what really only amounts to a religion and tradition.

If I have kids, it won't be done to them.

[saoirse]

Yep as long as you wash you are fine. The feeling during sex is hightened. It is also can provide a natural lubricant for the lady. I did watch a show a few years back where some men who had been circumcized who were having reconstructive surgery done.

[suziq999]

Originally posted by fmian


I don't see how just having a simple shower or bath will get rid of it. Considering you have to peel the foreskin back and wash vigorously, or stick your finger under the foreskin and wash it away.


Not to sound combative or anything, but how many penisis with a foreskin have YOU washed? It literally takes like 10 seconds to wash an cut penis, and probably 5 seconds to was a cut one. Its just another fold of skin, women have *lots* of them. I imagine most men's bellybuttons are dirtier than their schlongs.

[Penny Lane]

I prefer cut. As unpopular as that opinion may be, at least I'm honest. I like the look of a cut one much more than the look of an uncut one. It seems like it would be easier to maintain proper hygiene without the foreskin.

[Cool Kitten]

i've been with both types and really have no preference. Since i'm Jewish my kids will be cut though.

[saoirse]

Originally posted by Cool Kitten
i've been with both types and really have no preference. Since i'm Jewish my kids will be cut though.

Poor things, but I understand being it's your faith.

[clemente]

Originally posted by Cool Kitten
i've been with both types and really have no preference. Since i'm Jewish my kids will be cut though.

What if your husband (hypothetically) also a Jewish man says he doesn't want his son's cut, what would your response be.

I'm just curious...I'm not cut and when the time comes, I'm not really sure which way I'd go on this one subjuct, though I'd lean towards au natural.

[Cool Kitten]

Originally posted by clemente


What if your husband (hypothetically) also a Jewish man says he doesn't want his son's cut, what would your response be.
he won't, it's already been discussed and agreed on.

[Giles]

If your uncut, keep it clean, smegma is just too damn gross.

[towbinaj]

There is an increased risk of penile cancer in uncircumscised males. There is basically no risk of penile cancer in circumscised males. penile cancer is pretty nasty and not something you want, it would lead to a penilectomy.

there are some other bad things that can happen with the uncircumscised penis that does not happen with the circ. These include when you cant retract the foreskin, or when the inverse when the foreskin cannot be retracted back over the head of the penis.

As a physician, i can tell you that smegma does exist. you guys may be young and in shape now, but there are plenty of old / overweight men who do not clean their penis (or anything else for that matter).

does anyone here have any personal experience with both side of the arguement. how can you say that uncirc is more sensitive. i think just about all of us can orgasm with or without foreskin. I would think more sensitive would be worse as there may be more "premature problems."

[clemente]

Originally posted by towbinaj
There is an increased risk of penile cancer in uncircumscised males. There is basically no risk of penile cancer in circumscised males. penile cancer is pretty nasty and not something you want, it would lead to a penilectomy.

there are some other bad things that can happen with the uncircumscised penis that does not happen with the circ. These include when you cant retract the foreskin, or when the inverse when the foreskin cannot be retracted back over the head of the penis.

As a physician, i can tell you that smegma does exist. you guys may be young and in shape now, but there are plenty of old / overweight men who do not clean their penis (or anything else for that matter).

does anyone here have any personal experience with both side of the arguement. how can you say that uncirc is more sensitive. i think just about all of us can orgasm with or without foreskin. I would think more sensitive would be worse as there may be more "premature problems."

1. Penilectomy doesn't sound fun. As a physician can you tell me about the risk of cancer. I had heard about this before, but isn't is relatively similar to the smegma/hygiene issue, a hygenic penis virtually eliminates these risks.

2. Phsimosis. Well not much to say, but yes it does exist. The two conditions you just described are undeniably linked and as statistics have shown are extremely rare (less than 2 %) I'm sure circumcised penis suffer from some such obscure problems, but they in themselves aren't enough reason to abandon one of the other.

3. No one is doubting the existence of smegma.....but we are saying that with cleaning its not a problem. Of course if someon is lacking in regular hygiene, there penial hygiene can't be much better.

4. Well its only more sensitive when unsheated, if you will.

[saoirse]

Very Good point Clemente.

Just to clarify, I don't think anyone should be ashamed of what they have. That said. I would hate for a decision about my willie to have been made by my parents when I was too young to understand. Especially when it's not necessary. Clean yourself and you won't have these problems. If you don't clean yourself, then too bad. Parents should be sure to teach their children to clean themselves.

Female circumcision is considered barbaric. Granted it's more extreme, but still why preform unnecessary operations unless it has to do with your religion. Even then perhaps it should be re-thought.

Anyway just my opinions. Wash and you'll be fine, no matter what kind of willie you have.

[towbinaj]

The risk of cancer is related to the cleanliness issue. In the US, cancer of the penis accounts for <1% of cancers in males. IN Parts of asia, africa, and S. America it can account for 10-20% of cancers in men. The main reason for this difference is circumcision as penile cancer is extremely rare in Jews and Muslims but more common in uncircumscised.

It is postulted that this difference is because of better genital hygene which leads to decreased exposure to carcinogens that may be concentrated in smegma. The main cause of penile cancer is the human papillomavirus (HPV). This is the virus that causes genital warts. Smoking is another risk factor for penile cancer.

I don't think many (if any) docs would reccomend circumcision for all males. It is obviously the choice of the parents at birth. Most doctor's would reccomend however that if you are uncircumscised that you clean yourself often by retracting the foreskin. If you notice any sores that you cant explain that you see your doctor immediatly. The earlier you bring it to their attention the better the prognosis for you and you penis.

Most of the stats in this post come from Robbins Pathologic Basis of Disease.

[fmian]

Originally posted by towbinaj
The risk of cancer is related to the cleanliness issue. In the US, cancer of the penis accounts for <1% of cancers in males. IN Parts of asia, africa, and S. America it can account for 10-20% of cancers in men. The main reason for this difference is circumcision as penile cancer is extremely rare in Jews and Muslims but more common in uncircumscised.

It is postulted that this difference is because of better genital hygene which leads to decreased exposure to carcinogens that may be concentrated in smegma. The main cause of penile cancer is the human papillomavirus (HPV). This is the virus that causes genital warts. Smoking is another risk factor for penile cancer.

I don't think many (if any) docs would reccomend circumcision for all males. It is obviously the choice of the parents at birth. Most doctor's would reccomend however that if you are uncircumscised that you clean yourself often by retracting the foreskin. If you notice any sores that you cant explain that you see your doctor immediatly. The earlier you bring it to their attention the better the prognosis for you and you penis.

Most of the stats in this post come from Robbins Pathologic Basis of Disease.

That's really interesting. Can you also find out if Colon Cancer is lower among Muslims compared to other religions? I have a theory about that one.

[tygloalex]

Can I be totally honest here? I have no idea if I'm circumsized or not. Honestly. I'm not even sure what the hell it is. It's some sort of cutting of the foreskin or something. I've been with 4 women (well 4 have seen my tallywhacker). 2 said I was, 2 said I wasn't. Who the hell do I tell?

[clemente]

pics? Just kidding.

===D circumcised
===- uncircumcised

In an uncircumcised penis, the foreskin covers the head of the penis..until erect when the foreskin slides back and the head is revealed.

A circumcised penis has its head exposed at all times.

Someone feel free to chime in with a better description.

[tygloalex]

Uncircumsized. That's what I thought, but I had two ex's called me stupid for saying that. Okay.

[sfsdfd]

Pros: None really.

Cons: They snip your weiner.

- David Stein

[Betho]

Originally posted by tygloalex
Uncircumsized. That's what I thought, but I had two ex's called me stupid for saying that. Okay.

YOu might just have a really short foreskin

[LostHiWay]

I read an article awhile ago about women who are married to men who are uncut are like 5 times more likely to get cervical cancer.

I'm glad I'm cut

[clemente]

Originally posted by LostHiWay
I read an article awhile ago about women who are married to men who are uncut are like 5 times more likely to get cervical cancer.

I'm glad I'm cut

Again, its related to the cleanliness issue.
If you were uncut and you cleaned you penis regularly, your spouses risk of cervical cancer would be no different than that of a circumcised male.

[suziq999]

By the way, more men get breast cancer that penile cancer.

And the cervical cancer thing is based on the fact that the male must *already* have an STD, HPV. Its not based on cleaning (directly) its based on where the dick has been.

[Giles]

I've known some "uncut" guys where they have tight foreskins and is painful to retrack the skin.

[clemente]

It's a medical condition and its not normal.
If they suffer from it, its best to see a doctor.