A question for all straight men...

[DaveyDay]

If you had a gay male friend who was interested in pleasing you sexually and you didn't have to reciprocate in any way...what would your reaction be?

Would you indulge his fantasy? Or would it be too weird for you?

Seriously, whenever you wanted it, he'd be willing. And all you have to do is relax and enjoy.

[olie029]

"Oh canteen boy!........"


I would have to say no, would be way too weird

[bigsoos]

Yeah, that'd just be a lil weird. If it was a lesbian, then no problem.

[Thunderball]

Originally posted by olie029
"Oh canteen boy!........"


I would have to say no, would be way too weird

That's not what Knight told me...

[Save Ferris]

i wonder if this would apply in my "sex with or without love" thread.

Would have sex with you if you didnt love them but they loved you? Although im pretty sure you're separating sex and love.

[olie029]

Originally posted by Thunderball


That's not what Knight told me...

yea funny :rolleyes:

[grrrah]

No way...

and in many cases, i would probably have a hard time letting a close female friend do it.

[teddydogg]

Originally posted by grrrah
No way...

and in many cases, i would probably have a hard time letting a close female friend do it.

:jawdrop:Whoa whoa whoa whoa now you are just talking crazy!:) A female friend? I would give this much more thought than the original question.

[Jackskeleton]

nope nope big fat no

[Thunderball]

Originally posted by olie029


yea funny :rolleyes:

Jeez, you dont talk to a guy for months, and you only get a :rolleyes: I'll leave you be next time

[Save Ferris]

I'd say no.

Its blackmail material farther down the road.

[Big Quasimodo]

Hell no!

[PerpleNerple]

Originally posted by bigsoos
Yeah, that'd just be a lil weird. If it was a lesbian, then no problem.
rotfl



Originally posted by Save Ferris
I'd say no.

Its blackmail material farther down the road.
So in other words,.....

You'd do it if you didn't think blackmailing was a possibility?


I couldn't do it, there's just no way.

If it was a friend girl? Hell yeah! Provided I wasn't in a relationship.

[devilshalo]

nope.. i've turned down the offer, the money, the apartment. nothing would change my mind about that. but i accept the friendship.

[Nick Danger]

Nope. And I've been kissed by a gay man.

So what's the attraction that so many gay men have for seducing straight guys? Is it that forbidden fruit thing?

[wildcatlh]

Originally posted by Nick Danger
Nope. And I've been kissed by a gay man.

So what's the attraction that so many gay men have for seducing straight guys? Is it that forbidden fruit thing?

Well, yeah. Same thing that attracts women to married men, etc.

And btw... my answer to the question proposed in this thread is an unequivocal no.

[DaveyDay]

Well, just in case anyone was wondering, I wasn't offering. LOL.

I'm actually on the other end of the equation.

A friend came to me with the offer. This was about a week ago. I originally told him I'd think about it, although I knew in my mind that my answer was no. But over the week, I started thinking about it.

I'm not gay. I don't even think I would consider myself bisexual. But I'm single...and this guy isn't a close close friend, so it's not like it would be weird because we've been buddies forever. Also, there's something appealing about knowing that whenever I'm in the mood, this guy'll be willing.

He also seems pretty confident about his abilities. I don't know what to do. I've only talked to him once since he asked me. That was like a day or two after the fact and I've kind of been ignoring him since then.

I feel bad keeping him waiting but I'm just torn when it comes to this decision.

[Keyser Soze]

Nope... not my thing (literally)!

I've had a hard enough time with "female friends w/ benifits" in the past.

-k
###

[Johnny Zhivago]

Pass.

[grunter]

Originally posted by Nick Danger
So what's the attraction that so many gay men have for seducing straight guys? Is it that forbidden fruit thing?

I think it's sort of the mirror reaction to straight guys and their seemingly never-quenchable appetite for (lipstick!! . . . trust me on this one, you straight guys would not like watching "real" lesbians go to town on each other) lesbians.

Personally I always relegated the whole seducing a straight guy thing to that "radicalous" category of one-handed fiction occupied by horny cop and construction worker fantasies.

Although a bear-buddy of mine swears he's seduced many a straight man. Personally I think he's just trying to boost his ego by believing these so-called "str8" geek-boys weren't already on-the-fence to begin with.

So to sum up: it's just a fantasy, for some. Ain't never gonna happen.

Personally - I'd never undertake such a huge seduction production. (Hey, that rhymes!). (Well unless I was like "this close" to James Gandolfini, Brian Dennehy or Paul Sorvino - WOOF!). Why waste all that energy trying to get something out of somebody who - were he to have his complete wits about him - wouldn't even dream of participating in such a sex act, when there's all these willing, hot, hairy, burly men out there that I haven't done?

I'll take the easier path, my friend.

[bigsoos]

To quote from the movie Monty Python and the Holy Grail...

"Run away! Run awwwwaaaaaay!"

[waporvare]

So does this follow the logic of, "If i'm pitching and not catching i'm not gay."?

I would turn it down.

This "friend" is probably thinking that if he can "do" you he may be able to turn you and have a long term relationship with you. He probably does and has had a crush on you for a long time.

[DaveyDay]

Originally posted by vapoRware

This "friend" is probably thinking that if he can "do" you he may be able to turn you and have a long term relationship with you. He probably does and has had a crush on you for a long time.

Well, we haven't known each other for that long, so there's no way he's had a crush on me for a long time.

But if he's expecting any kind of relationship with me, then maybe I should just tell him no. I don't see myself ever going out with a guy.

[grunter]

Originally posted by vapoRware
So does this follow the logic of, "If i'm pitching and not catching i'm not gay."?

Nope - maybe that would be the str8 guy's rationalization.

But in my book, if you participated to the point where you got off - honey, you ain't straight.

That always pisses off the so-called "bi-sexual" guys who stick their schlongs through the glory holes at the bookstore.

Wouldn't want to bruise their fragile str8 egos . . .

;)

[grrrah]

Originally posted by teddydogg


:jawdrop:Whoa whoa whoa whoa now you are just talking crazy!:) A female friend? I would give this much more thought than the original question.

when i said that, i was thinking my close female friends... i got a P**** in a jar separately [/knocks on wood]

[waporvare]

Originally posted by grunter


Nope - maybe that would be the str8 guy's rationalization.




I work in several state prisons. Many, many "straight" inmates rationalize having sex with the "girls" by what i stated above.

[Soup Nazi]

No.

[grunter]

Originally posted by vapoRware
I work in several state prisons. Many, many "straight" inmates rationalize having sex with the "girls" by what i stated above.

So you're saying it would be unsafe to giggle in their presence when they state that rationalization?

Top or bottom - it don't matter. If you did "it" with another guy, you ain't straight.

[olie029]

Originally posted by Thunderball


Jeez, you dont talk to a guy for months, and you only get a :rolleyes: I'll leave you be next time

Man you just picked the wrong day for they joke thats all

[joltaddict]

Originally posted by grunter
Top or bottom - it don't matter. If you did "it" with another guy, you ain't straight.

So if an ugly bim blows me in the dark and Im thinking of Pamela Anderson I really do like ugly chicks?

[Save Ferris]

Originally posted by PerpleNerple


So in other words,.....

You'd do it if you didn't think blackmailing was a possibility?



LOL I thought of that after i posted. I dont think i would in any situation. Never been that hard up for a bj.

[Giantrobo]

no.

Well, if he was a Latin "Tranny"with a nice ass I might.

[Bushdog]

Yah, I'd pass. . .if I don't get off on guys, what's the point?

[Giantrobo]

Originally posted by Bushdog
Yah, I'd pass. . .if I don't get off on guys, what's the point?


He's trying to hook up.

[cooper2000]

Go for it!

People are always so closed minded. Try it. You might like it.
Theres not reason why you cant share with each other just as long as you set up restrictions.
All these boundaries people set up.
Men give better blow jobs anyway.

[GMLSKIS]

NO NO NO - NO WAY NO HOW !!!

Even without participating that makes you gay too.

[Kube]

Davey...I saw go for it. Why not? Try it one night. You might like it.

[sfsdfd]

Originally posted by GMLSKIS
NO NO NO - NO WAY NO HOW !!!

Even without participating that makes you gay too.

Boy, that just screams "homophobe".

My answer: Guys don't turn me on. It's as simple as that.

- David Stein

[Jack Straw]

Not only is my answer a resounding "NO", but that would probably be the last time I would hang out alone with that gay man. Things would be just a little too weird from then on.

[Save Ferris]

Originally posted by grunter

Top or bottom - it don't matter. If you did "it" with another guy, you ain't straight.

Does it work for gay men the other way too?
"Top or bottom - it don't matter. If you did "it" with a WOMAN, you ain't gay."

[debbert]

I love your last point Save Ferris. Very good!


Davey, I'd say go for it! Make two people happy. And, I don't agree with grunter on his assessment that if you do "it" with another man you are gay.

Being gay is not defined by sexual acts alone. I;m sure you know this already grunter.

[grunter]

Originally posted by cooper2000
Men give better blow jobs anyway.

That, my friends, is a proven irrefutable fact. Women just do not know how to treat the equipment properly.

debbert: Oh - PUH-lease lighten up just a tad.

Of course, I could easily trot out the tired old party line and say that being "gay" means more than just doing "it" with another guy. No one's arguing that point seriously here anyway.

But that's not nearly as fun as freaking out the so-called "bi" guys at the bookstore. The prevailing myth is that "gay-ness" can somehow rub off on you like cheap newsprint if you accidentally (on purpose) come into physical contact with a gay person or - heaven forbid - get a glimpse of another man's cock in the men's room or locker room. Gay people know that's a load of crap. But it's very, very hard to convince straight people of the same thing. They cling very fiercely to the old limp-wristed stereotypes.

Personally I just very, very much enjoy playing on the insecurities of "on-the-fence" types.

[DaveyDay]

Umm...

Uh...

I'm so lost right now...

[grunter]

Originally posted by DaveyDay
Umm...

Uh...

I'm so lost right now...

That's the point.

;)

[montecristo]

Originally posted by DaveyDay
Umm...

Uh...

I'm so lost right now...

plain and simple, I would NOT do it... such is the case that I call my dk "Secret" because "it is strong enough for a man, but made for a WOMAN"

Davey,
do not do it, you never know what the results will be... this other guy might have hidden motives... remember that a few minutes of pleasure can bring a lifetime of sadness...

[DaveyDay]

Originally posted by montecristo


plain and simple, I would NOT do it... such is the case that I call my dk "Secret" because "it is strong enough for a man, but made for a WOMAN"

Davey,
do not do it, you never know what the results will be... this other guy might have hidden motives... remember that a few minutes of pleasure can bring a lifetime of sadness...

Well, the thing is...I'm lost right now because I gave him a call last night. We ended up going out for drinks. Over which I told him that I didn't think I could do it.

But you guys know drinks right? They often grab the wheel and steer for you.

So now I'm just freaking out.

[tygloalex]

Uh, Frig no!

[montecristo]

Originally posted by DaveyDay


Well, the thing is...I'm lost right now because I gave him a call last night. We ended up going out for drinks. Over which I told him that I didn't think I could do it.

But you guys know drinks right? They often grab the wheel and steer for you.

So now I'm just freaking out.

you make it sound as if you are asking the question a day late... even so, do not give into temptation (again)... it will be very difficult to turn back once you take the road...

[bmello]

Originally posted by DaveyDay
Also, there's something appealing about knowing that whenever I'm in the mood, this guy'll be willing.


You couldn't offer me enough money! Look at it like this....it will start out as a little head here and there....next thing you know you will be giving him head after a few drinks:eek:.....few more drinks you taking in the rear:hump:....a month or two later roomates. ;)

[Real Estate Guy]

I think the point here is, if you're straight, you shouldn't do it. Simple as that. This WILL come back to haunt you, I gaurantee it.

Imagine this. You let this guy do it, and that's the end of it. You find a woman on down the line, want to marry her, then it comes to the point of revealing things about your past. Do you tell her this? What if she freaks out and thinks this is abominable? You want this as a skeleton in your closet? Even if you decide not to tell her, if this guy is still around, you'll always be nervous about him telling her. Just not a good situation.

It may seem really easy to let this guy do it, especially if you don't have a girlfriend now. Don't do it - if the guy disappears after you tell him no, then that's all he wanted the whole time. This is just a bad idea all the way around.

[joltaddict]

Originally posted by DaveyDay

But you guys know drinks right? They often grab the wheel and steer for you.

So now I'm just freaking out.

So are guys really better at it?

[Nick Danger]

Another *****ing opportunity for growth.

Don't sweat it. Everybody who's gotten drunk has done something he regretted later. Think coyote ugly.

[DaveyDay]

Originally posted by joltaddict


So are guys really better at it?

Well...I wish I could tell you I don't remember, but I'm not one of those who gets drunk, does things he wouldn't do and then claims to forget about them later.

It was good. Much more into it than most girls. It was actually really good, but I don't know how I feel about letting it happen again.

There is however the matter of the other thing that happened.

[joltaddict]

Would he let you lay a Playboy on the top of his head or crawl under the desk as youre browsing porn?

[joltaddict]

Originally posted by DaveyDay
There is however the matter of the other thing that happened.

OK I looked and theres no other thread. :confused: Is that a tease?

[grunter]

Originally posted by DaveyDay
Well...I wish I could tell you I don't remember, but I'm not one of those who gets drunk, does things he wouldn't do and then claims to forget about them later.

It was good. Much more into it than most girls. It was actually really good, but I don't know how I feel about letting it happen again.

It'd only get better. Because now the heebie-jeebie-ness of having to decide whether or not to do it the first place would have worn off. No more nervousness. No more apprehension. All pleasure. As nasty as you wanna be.


There is however the matter of the other thing that happened.

That other thing? Do tell.

grunter settles in for a long, long thread.
grunter is intrigued.

[grunter]

Originally posted by joltaddict
Would he let you lay a Playboy on the top of his head or crawl under the desk as youre browsing porn?

See. Unlike a female, a guy would never be put off by that behavior. There is no need to develop and maintain some sort of eye-to-eye rapport. He knows you're not thinking about him while you're mid-act. He does the exact same thing.

And it doesn't matter one whit.

So - in answer to your question. Yes. And yes.

;)

[DaveyDay]

Originally posted by grunter

That other thing? Do tell.


LOL...well...I was actually watching him while he was doing it. I didn't need outside stimulation. I guess the fact that someone was giving me a blow job was enough.

Anyway...he was really into it and we've talked in the past about how he loves doing it and how much fun he says it is.

So I tried it. I figured...this was probably the only time I was going to be in that situation. And as much as it grossed me out, I was just curious as to what it would feel like.

It was strange. A lot softer than I expected. I don't know what I was expecting, but it was smooth and soft and for some reason that surprised me. I only did it for about 5 seconds. Then I had to stop.

[DaveyDay]

Sorry you guys if that was TMI.

I understand if it grosses you out.

Hell, I'm still weirded out by it.

[rodeo]

Whos grossed out????

Grunter, are you grossed out by this???
Cooper2000 are you grossed out???

I didn't think so....

Anyways, you tried it, and decided to stop, thats cool. At least now, you may know yourself a little better.

[DaveyDay]

LOL rodeo, I was talking to the straight guys reading the thread who might not want to hear about that kind of thing.

Anyway, the reason I had to stop, besides being kinda weirded out...was the taste. Not necessarily of his dick, that didn't bother me as much. It was when I tasted some of his precum.

Ok, I can't even believe I'm saying any of this.

[grunter]

Davey: listen, I'm sorry that I've treated your situation with perhaps more levity than it needed. I didn't realize that this really - truly - happened. And I don't mean to make things worse by typing a bunch of smart-ass nonsense simply to rile you up.

Please ignore my juvenille potshots and ramblings above.

You needn't worry or tear yourself up inside about what happened. Chalk it up to curiousity's sake. You experimented. You weren't entirely thrilled with the results and now you know what you don't like. What happened was entirely normal. No matter what anyone else may say in moments of adolescent bravado or repressed homophobia: it was entirely normal!! Everyone experiments to one degree or another. Just not everyone is as honest about revealing what literally happened on a semi-public forum. Pat yourself on the back for at least being open enough to want to discuss it with someone.

Sexuality is a very difficult thing to come to terms with - for everybody. Not merely understanding where you fit along the straight/gay spectrum, but just getting over the weirdness, ennui and guilt that typically accompanies one's first few sexual encounters - it may take some time before you can really digest what happened and be "ok" with it.

Take that time. Don't rush your feelings. Don't be quick to judge yourself or punish yourself for the supposed "bad things" you did. Remember they're only "bad things" if you believe them to be bad. Don't condemn what happened based on what you presume others may think of you.

If you feel comfortable enough or close enough with a family member or figure of authority (I hesitate to say "clergy" because typically their responses are so widly divergent and extreme), maybe you could talk about your feelings and your emerging sexuality with them. It's a hard subject for anyone to discuss. But if you feel confident in the relationship between yourself and this confidant, you could benefit from some good 'ol fashioned heart-to-heart chats.

In my own experience, my "coming out" process was very long and very arduous (and in some ways, it's still continuing). I think I've hinted at it here and there around the "other" forum - but the man who ushered me into life as a gay man really did some serious damage to me emotionally and physically. It was unbelievably traumatic. Something I would never wish on another human being. It took me almost 3 years of therapy sessions to finally come to grips with the whole situation and be happy with who I am.

It sounds like you're just starting to figure out who you are, yourself.

So you took a bit of a detour? No big deal.

You've had the experience. You've gained some knowledge. What you do with that knowledge is what's important from here on out.

[Real Estate Guy]

-eek-

Ok, this thread just turned into :yack:

[Real Estate Guy]

Dude, this thread was never a question to straight guys - you're gay and you know it! Why draw those of us who are normal into this thread? How dare you? And to think, I was here to help!

[DaveyDay]

Wow, grunter...I didn't expect all of that. Thanks for the advice and taking the time out to say all of that to me.

I honestly have no idea what I want to do. On one hand I'm comparing every blow job I've ever gotten from a girl to the one I received last night. Which is scary, because if most guys are that good at it, I feel like I want more of them to do it.

On the other hand, at one point last night, he asked if he could kiss me. I told him no, because I don't know if I could do that. Then I wonder, if I couldn't try kissing this guy, why on earth did I put my mouth on his dick? And why did part of me think "Well that wasn't so bad?"

Plus, there's the part about being drunk. I don't know if any of that stuff could have ever happened if I was completely sober.

The whole thing is just really confusing.

[DaveyDay]

Originally posted by Real Estate Guy
Dude, this thread was never a question to straight guys - you're gay and you know it! Why draw those of us who are normal into this thread? How dare you? And to think, I was here to help!

No really. I'm straight.

I know that sounds sorta silly at this point, but it's true.

I never thought I'd ever be in this position and when I started the thread yesterday I had been thinking the situation over for about a week.

I've never been homophobic or anything, but at the same time I never really hang out with gay guys. This guy is the first gay guy I've actually become friends with. I wasn't expecting him to propose what he did and I feel like everything's a mess now because of it.

[rodeo]

Davey relax.....it is not such a big deal.....everyone experiments with one thing or another in their life. Thats what makes life worth living.

And Grunter...I knew under that gruff Bearish Exterior, you are really just a big ole teddy bear....

[rodeo]

Davey, don't worry about labels...Gay, Straight, Bi, we are all humans, and people that name call and other ***** like that are not worth the time or effort....

[grunter]

Originally posted by rodeo
And Grunter...I knew under that gruff Bearish Exterior, you are really just a big ole teddy bear....

Damn. My cover's blown.

;)

[DaveyDay]

Originally posted by rodeo
Davey relax.....it is not such a big deal.....everyone experiments with one thing or another in their life. Thats what makes life worth living.


I'm sorry. It's just I feel like now guys are calling me gay and I don't see that as being true at all.

I guess I'm just not all that embarassed about saying what happened and people are taking it to mean I'm really into it or something.

[rodeo]

on a side note grunter...what is a Stroller Daddy???

[grunter]

Originally posted by rodeo
on a side note grunter...what is a Stroller Daddy???

Hen-pecked suburban husbands, slightly disheveled and unshaven - typically underwearless in their slobby Saturday morning, my-god-I-can-see-what-religion-he-is sweat pants - trolling along behind their brood, pushing the "stroller," at the mall, the zoo or a public park.

They're outward appearance and demeanor say "I'm a good little husband, straight as an arrow, and faithful to a fault." But they're roving eyes, arched eyebrows, tendency to stare and strategically scratch their private places at potential tea-room dates belies their insatiable taste for male-tail. They're always the wildest when you finally get them cornered with their pants down around their ankles. They always exclaim the loudest when they cum. And they're always the most grateful after you've finished your session.

I am a consummate connosseur of the stroller-daddy. And they can always be had at any mall in the country. Most plentiful and reliable source of pleasure on the planet.

;)

[Giles]

amen, grunter :D

[icondude]

Getting back to the original question: NO!

http://home.earthlink.net/~evillink2k1/_uimages/threadgay.jpg

[montecristo]

Originally posted by bmello


You couldn't offer me enough money! Look at it like this....it will start out as a little head here and there....next thing you know you will be giving him head after a few drinks:eek:.....few more drinks you taking in the rear:hump:....a month or two later roomates. ;)

DaveyDay Anyway, the reason I had to stop, besides being kinda weirded out...was the taste. Not necessarily of his dick, that didn't bother me as much. It was when I tasted some of his precum..

Davey,
did you read the post from bmello? so far, you are two out of four... how did he know? that is not the point, the point is that he is right so far... stop while you still can...

[Big Quasimodo]

Originally posted by DaveyDay


I'm sorry. It's just I feel like now guys are calling me gay and I don't see that as being true at all.

I guess I'm just not all that embarassed about saying what happened and people are taking it to mean I'm really into it or something.

You may not be gay, but you're a damn sight "gayer" than I!

:lol:

[joltaddict]

Originally posted by Real Estate Guy
this thread was never a question to straight guys - you're gay and you know it! Why draw those of us who are normal into this thread?

You kept reading though. :lol: And what do you know about him? I put up shelves once. Am I a carpenter?

[DaveyDay]

Originally posted by montecristo

Davey,
did you read the post from bmello? so far, you are two out of four... how did he know? that is not the point, the point is that he is right so far... stop while you still can...

There will be no taking it in the rear here.

Forget drunk, I'd have to be passed out for that to happen.

[waporvare]

It sounds like what i had mentioned earlier. This guy said he'd want to do it with no strings attached. My understanding of the gay culture is that that's not uncommon what with "glory holes" and all. But when he said he wanted to kiss you that usually denotes "feelings" not just sex. There are many women that won't blink an eye when it comes to giving head but will refuse to kiss because kissing is more emotional. So from what i can tell he likes you in a relationship type way.


Now i've got a question for the gay guys that i've always wondered, do most gay guys worship the dick more than the guy? Meaning if you could just have dick all the time without the hassles of a relationship would that be fine? The concept of glory holes and annonymous sex has always made me think that was the case.

[Giles]

"Meaning if you could just have dick all the time without the hassles of a relationship would that be fine? The concept of glory holes and annonymous sex has always made me think that was the case."

call me shallow and a slut, but yeah! :D
(I am of course joking, but golly there sure alot of handsome men out there) LOL

[joltaddict]

Originally posted by vapoRware
There are many women that won't blink an eye when it comes to giving head but will refuse to kiss

Can I hang out with you? Your friends are better than mine.

[grunter]

Originally posted by vapoRware
Now i've got a question for the gay guys that i've always wondered, do most gay guys worship the dick more than the guy? Meaning if you could just have dick all the time without the hassles of a relationship would that be fine? The concept of glory holes and annonymous sex has always made me think that was the case.

Well, that depends. Sometimes all you need is a dick and very little else. Its a mood thing for me. Sometimes I just want to get off and don't want to have small talk before or after - so I'll opt for a quickie at the bookstore (always receiving, almost never giving - for safety's sake) or I'll be very non-verbal at the baths (hence the nickname "grunter").

Besides, I already have a very strong relationship (5 years and counting). When I go out (or more often, when I get sent out by my husbear because I'm being crabby and difficult) I don't need the emotional baggage of making a mental "love connection." I just want to get my rocks off and be done with it. It's almost like masturbation in that respect, only infinitely more pleasurable.

That being said, there are some men that I know casually, that I consider to be nothing but "human dildoes." I don't care what words are coming out of their mouths. I don't care about their homelife or their likes or dislikes. I don't relate to them as a "friend" or "buddy." I just want one thing from them and one thing only. In some instances you can get away with that as a gay man (and I'd imagine in the more mainstream "twinkie/circuit party" crowd, it's a bit more easy just by virtue of the sheer numbers of guys into that "scene"), but in the bear community - as it's so tiny and specialized - you can't always get away with a clean, anonymous encounter.

So there's plusses and minuses. Was that wishy-washy enough for you?

[Giles]

Originally posted by grunter:
"Well, that depends. Sometimes all you need is a dick and very little else. Its a mood thing for me. Sometimes I just want to get off and don't want to have small talk before or after - so I'll opt for a quickie at the bookstore (always receiving, almost never giving - for safety's sake) or I'll be very non-verbal at the baths (hence the nickname "grunter")."
______________________________

I always tend to get the bozo's who want to talk at the baths/jerk-off parties. God I hate that.

[grunter]

Originally posted by Giles
I always tend to get the bozo's who want to talk at the baths/jerk-off parties. God I hate that.

Trust me Giles - sometimes the talkers are better than the deaf-mutes who won't and can't take "NO" for an answer.

Why do I say this?

Because I have a deaf stalker at one of the baths I frequent. All he ever wants to do is take you back to his room and *yeeuck* "cuddle."

How do you sign "eff NO - I ain't here to play smoochie-smoochie?"

[montecristo]

Originally posted by DaveyDay


There will be no taking it in the rear here.

Forget drunk, I'd have to be passed out for that to happen.

you probably thought that you will never have a dk in your mouth before it actually happened... a few drinks later, and guess what? you had one in your mouth... well, maybe still a few more drinks and you might end up sore the next morning...

[montecristo]

Originally posted by vapoRware
There are many women that won't blink an eye when it comes to giving head but will refuse to kiss because kissing is more emotional. So from what i can tell he likes you in a relationship type way.



where do you meet these woman? I would not want to kiss them either, but I would take a b/j... ;)

[cooper2000]

People are so quick to judge.
Experimenting doesn't make you gay and if a man wants to be with a man, then whats the big thing.
This Real Estate guy and others make it out to be something wrong for you to want to do that or for you to have done it.
Funny though, it's always ok for a woman to do a woman. Big Double Standard.

People make you feel like you are bad. You arent, you are human and all powered to you.

Society puts all these labels on people but they are usually just scared of the unknown and are usually narrow minded just because they dont want to be labeled Different themselves.
Blowjobs by Men are better because they know what they like right?

Whats scarier than people calling you gay is those big ol' macho guys that think they are man by driving those Big Truck SUV things. They are more screwed up than anyone.

Ignore them.

[Bushdog]

Originally posted by cooper2000
People are so quick to judge.
Experimenting doesn't make you gay and if a man wants to be with a man, then whats the big thing.
This Real Estate guy and others make it out to be something wrong for you to want to do that or for you to have done it.
Funny though, it's always ok for a woman to do a woman. Big Double Standard.

People make you feel like you are bad. You arent, you are human and all powered to you.

Society puts all these labels on people but they are usually just scared of the unknown and are usually narrow minded just because they dont want to be labeled Different themselves.
Blowjobs by Men are better because they know what they like right?

Whats scarier than people calling you gay is those big ol' macho guys that think they are man by driving those Big Truck SUV things. They are more screwed up than anyone.

Ignore them. :lol: No one (or almost no one) here is saying gay is bad at all. It is good for those people who are. But don't pretend it is something it isn't. If you're a man and you enjoy having sex with a man, you're gay.

[cooper2000]

I dont agree with that. You experiment and you are automatically gay?

No.

[gcribbs]

I guess I am just a bit skeptical. I mean a new member joins on 7/18 and asks a question like this online. by 7/19 he has already done what he was unsure of.


If this is actually for real- Good luck figuring out what you really want from life. stop worrying about what we think and start deciding about what you think about what you want to do with your life.

if not :(

by the way i am not interested in men although if you are great.

[joltaddict]

Originally posted by gcribbs
I guess I am just a bit skeptical. I mean a new member joins on 7/18 and asks a question like this online. by 7/19 he has already done what he was unsure of.


If this is actually for real- Good luck

I saw the dates too and I just figured it was a regular poster that was too embarrassed to post this under his real username.

[Real Estate Guy]

Ok, now people are making me out to be a gay-basher or something. That I'm not. I just thought this person was straddling the fence, not sure of which way to go. Apparently he's more gay than he let on, and that's fine. Honestly, if a guy wants to do another guy, what's it my concern? I could give a rat's *ss.

Anyway, I guess I should take this discussion in another direction. There's one reason why I don't like gay men - it's the whole "gay act," as I call it. Again, if a guy wants to do another guy, I really don't care. The part that bothers me is the whole flamboyant, limp-wristed, Richard Simmons type of talk and walk and "Oh Drama" act. Please. They're men - there's no way they really behave that way. It's all an act, and it really gets on my nerves. Christopher Lowell comes to mind here. Know what I mean?

[JimRochester]

No thanks, couldn't really enjoy it. Even oral favors are best when I can let my hands flow over my ladies' body, that would not be the case.

[speedy1961]

I would be willing to try. I am curious to a degree

[joeblow69]

Originally posted by Bushdog
:lol: No one (or almost no one) here is saying gay is bad at all. It is good for those people who are. But don't pretend it is something it isn't. If you're a man and you enjoy having sex with a man, you're gay.

I completely disagree there. I could have sex with women, and even enjoy it, but that isn't going to make me straight.

[DaveyDay]

Ok, a couple of things to say:

First off, joltaddict is right. I registered the name to post this because I had been struggling with it for a week and was planning on giving the guy my answer Thursday night.

I just didn't feel comfortable bringing it up under my normal username.

Real Estate Guy, I don't think you are a gay basher. I was just saying that because what of what happened, doesn't necessarily mean I'm gay.

cooper2000, thanks for the support.

Finally speedy1961, I'm glad you spoke up and admitted that. I was beginning to feel like I was strange or something.

[Nick Danger]

Originally posted by Real Estate Guy
Ok, now people are making me out to be a gay-basher or something. That I'm not. I just thought this person was straddling the fence, not sure of which way to go. Apparently he's more gay than he let on, and that's fine. Honestly, if a guy wants to do another guy, what's it my concern? I could give a rat's *ss.

Anyway, I guess I should take this discussion in another direction. There's one reason why I don't like gay men - it's the whole "gay act," as I call it. Again, if a guy wants to do another guy, I really don't care. The part that bothers me is the whole flamboyant, limp-wristed, Richard Simmons type of talk and walk and "Oh Drama" act. Please. They're men - there's no way they really behave that way. It's all an act, and it really gets on my nerves. Christopher Lowell comes to mind here. Know what I mean?

Didn't you call this thread vomit-inducing about a page back? That is the sort of behavior that's going to get people calling you a gay-basher. It didn't contribute anything to the discussion, and nothing would be lost if you just deleted the post.

As for disliking fey men, I take you would have no problems watching football and drinking beer with grunter. He's a real man who's not too fond of limp-wristed drama queens either. :D

The macho guy thing is just as much of an act as the drama queen thing. You play a role around your buddies as much as anyone else does. That's human nature. Why object to someone else's style?

[focker]

Originally posted by DaveyDay
First off, joltaddict is right. I registered the name to post this because I had been struggling with it for a week and was planning on giving the guy my answer Thursday night.Shall we start the pool on who this is? ;)

You probably already know this, but DVDTalk does not allow people to register with multiple usernames.

[cooper2000]

I have to admit I dont like the faggy ( I can say that because I am gay) behavior either. I dont know if its an act but not all gay men are like that and most that you see in the media are charactures.
There are a lot of gay men that are Macho but not in a White Trash sort of way that some males are.
Regarding the curious thing...
I think and Ive read accounts that there are alot of men that are Curious. Most dont act on it because of the Society crap but its human nature to be curious. Dont knowck it until youve tried it.

[Cool Kitten]

Originally posted by Real Estate Guy
You find a woman on down the line, want to marry her, then it comes to the point of revealing things about your past. Do you tell her this? yeah, i'd seriously freak out if i found out that my SO did a guy (or got a bj from a guy).

[Lethal Nemesis]

Nope, I wouldn't.

[Buford T Pusser]

Originally posted by grunter



I am a consummate connosseur of the stroller-daddy. And they can always be had at any mall in the country. Most plentiful and reliable source of pleasure on the planet.

;)

Do they have the kid in the stroller while it's happening? Are you saying you do this in the mall bathroom?
:whofart:

[waporvare]

I think everyone is curious to a degree at some point in their life whether they admit it or not. Acting on the curiosity, on the other hand, is something most people would not do. Have i ever wondered? Sure. Would i? No. Have i had opportunities to be with a guy? Yes. Did i want to? No. Of course this was when i was a teenager and i was just beginning to understand my penis did more than piss. I believe it's natural to be curious and there's no shame in that.

So you tried it. If it wasn't for you you're probably aware of that by now. If ,on the otherhand, you think about it often and how "good" it was you may at the very least be bi-sexual. Either way don't let society determine your sexuality, do what makes you happy.

[PerpleNerple]

Originally posted by grunter


See. Unlike a female, a guy would never be put off by that behavior. There is no need to develop and maintain some sort of eye-to-eye rapport. He knows you're not thinking about him while you're mid-act. He does the exact same thing.

And it doesn't matter one whit.

So - in answer to your question. Yes. And yes.

;)

Sorry, Grunter, but My girlfriend will. I can do anything and everything I want. She has no qualms about me looking at anything of that nature, There has been two times where she popped in some porn for me and gave me a BJ. We even look at mags together. She even had one of her friends take her breasts out so I could feel them. I told her I never felt fake boobs before which I haven't. We went to a friend of hers house they were having a party when she brought Lisa up to me and Lisa just popped them out and Charmaine told me, "Here's your chance to feel up some fake ones."

[Geofferson]

No, I'd have to pass on that offer. Would be too weird for me.

[montecristo]

Originally posted by cooper2000
People are so quick to judge.
Experimenting doesn't make you gay and if a man wants to be with a man, then whats the big thing.
This Real Estate guy and others make it out to be something wrong for you to want to do that or for you to have done it.
Funny though, it's always ok for a woman to do a woman. Big Double Standard.

People make you feel like you are bad. You arent, you are human and all powered to you.

Society puts all these labels on people but they are usually just scared of the unknown and are usually narrow minded just because they dont want to be labeled Different themselves.
Blowjobs by Men are better because they know what they like right?

Whats scarier than people calling you gay is those big ol' macho guys that think they are man by driving those Big Truck SUV things. They are more screwed up than anyone.

Ignore them.

I think the problem is that once a man experiments (being with another man) he continues on that road, he does not back to being with women; in the other hand, many women who experiment can maintain (sexual) relationships with men afterwards... I still have not met a man that has experimented and gone back to being with women... it is as if these men have tried a new drug and get addicted to it, no turning back once you have tried it... and to explain their new behavior, they claim that they have always been this way...

[montecristo]

Originally posted by vapoRware
I think everyone is curious to a degree at some point in their life whether they admit it or not. Acting on the curiosity, on the other hand, is something most people would not do. Have i ever wondered? Sure. Would i? No. Have i had opportunities to be with a guy? Yes. Did i want to? No. Of course this was when i was a teenager and i was just beginning to understand my penis did more than piss. I believe it's natural to be curious and there's no shame in that.

So you tried it. If it wasn't for you you're probably aware of that by now. If ,on the otherhand, you think about it often and how "good" it was you may at the very least be bi-sexual. Either way don't let society determine your sexuality, do what makes you happy.

of course that is just your opinion, but I disagree... I have never thought, wonder and/or fantasized about being with another man (even when I was a teenager)...

[grunter]

Originally posted by Nick Danger
As for disliking fey men, I take you would have no problems watching football and drinking beer with grunter. He's a real man who's not too fond of limp-wristed drama queens either. :D

The macho guy thing is just as much of an act as the drama queen thing. You play a role around your buddies as much as anyone else does. That's human nature. Why object to someone else's style?

I've got to agree with Nick to a certain extent. I've got bear buddies that are 250-300 lb., tattooed and muscled linebacker types who when they open their mouths are about as nelly as Richard Simmons - yards of chiffon come streaming out their lips when they speak. They'll be dressed to the "nines" in full leather, sitting up at the bar chatting about pesto or souffle recipes. Sometimes it's a very jarring juxtaposition of image and behavior - but you get used to such things in the gay community. A good friend of mine - who's face is pierced in about 15 different ways and who runs an "edge-players'" dungeon here in the city - looks all tough and butch on the exterior when he's doing the leather bars, but who morphs into the perfectly proper Southern gentlemen when he's away from the slave-boys and the leather. Even he'll admit that machismo is every bit an act as is the "fey-ness."

Drama queens are a dime a dozen in the gay community - whether they're bearded burly bears or skinny little circuit boyz. In fact, I, myself, once won the coveted "Suzanne Lucci" award (for best "drama" performance of course) of the Great Lakes Bears for a rather public outburst I once had whilst somewhat over-inebriated at our annual Bear Pride event. Someday I might even let you all see my hard-won statuette. ;)

While some of the so-called "queeny" behavior is affected (where do you think the concept of "camp" came from?), I don't believe it all is. Some gay men just had a much rougher time with growing up and socialization. They aren't as easily indoctrinated into male social circles. Sometimes they have to make up what "being a man" actually means for themselves. A lack of a strong male role model or a lack of male peer acceptance may, arguably, be the source of some of these seemingly un-macho behaviors. And sometimes the behaviors are a direct rebellious response to how these young gay men are "supposed" to act. I'm not going to argue one way or the other - because that's a whole other tedious nature/nurture conversation.

Just don't lump all gay men (or gay women) into a category where we're all supposed to act or speak the same way. The stereotypes aren't one size fits all. There's every bit as much diversity in the gay community - as far as behaviors and attitudes are concerned - as there is in the straight community.

We don't all talk with a lisp. We don't all prance about with our wrists flopping about. We don't all hang on the words or deeds of Madonna or Barbara as if our life depended on it.

Some of us might even look and act just like you. Imagine that. Gay people that look and act just like you do.

What a concept.

;)

[grunter]

Originally posted by Buford T Pusser
Do they have the kid in the stroller while it's happening? Are you saying you do this in the mall bathroom?

Oh don't be quite so literal.

No, they don't have the kid in the stroller while it's happening. And sometimes they might not even be married guys at all - or even have kids. They just have that frumpy, suburban, penned-in air about them that screams "stroller-daddy."

But yes, mall bathrooms are frequently big, big cruise spots. As are the men's rooms in multi-storied department stores. As are . . . well you get the picture.

[grunter]

Originally posted by PerpleNerple
Sorry, Grunter, but My girlfriend will.

You have a rare and delicate creature. Guard her well. Treasure her company. Buy her many expensive gifts. For she is the exception that proves the rule.

;)

[joltaddict]

Originally posted by montecristo
I still have not met a man that has experimented and gone back to being with women... it is as if these men have tried a new drug and get addicted to it, no turning back once you have tried it... and to explain their new behavior, they claim that they have always been this way...

Because Im sure every guy who has experimented brings it up every chance they get. Do you know what secrets your friends are harboring? Can you read minds?

[Nick Danger]

Originally posted by montecristo


I think the problem is that once a man experiments (being with another man) he continues on that road, he does not back to being with women; in the other hand, many women who experiment can maintain (sexual) relationships with men afterwards... I still have not met a man that has experimented and gone back to being with women... it is as if these men have tried a new drug and get addicted to it, no turning back once you have tried it... and to explain their new behavior, they claim that they have always been this way...

Ooo! Ooo! Slippery slope and threshhold drugs in the same argument!

Yes, Davey, every boy who smokes marijuana is doomed to heroin addiction. After all, everyone who died of a heroin overdose used to smoke weed. And look! Before that, they drank milk!

[Neo512210]

Yeah i am gonna go with NO

[ziggy]

No, and here's why -


this is probably gonna sound wierd and stupid to most people -

for me, how good it is (and by it I mean bj's, sex, etc) doesn't really depend on how good it feels - it mostly depends on my attraction to the girl I'm with.

I've slept with girls that were really not very good, but I'd much rather have sex with them than with girls that were better, because I was more attracted to her.

And the reverse of that, I've had sex with girls who were technically very good, but I didn't enjoy it all that much because I wasn't 'into' her.

I think this is probably mushy, romantic, ideallistic crap - but that's the way I'm hard-wired :)


And since I'm not into guys (at least not into any guy I've ever met or seen - which leads me to assume that it ain't gonna happen) I'd rather not get blown by a guy.

It's been offered before, and I turned him down.

[grunter]

Originally posted by ziggy
for me, how good it is (and by it I mean bj's, sex, etc) doesn't really depend on how good it feels - it mostly depends on my attraction to the girl I'm with.

I've slept with girls that were really not very good, but I'd much rather have sex with them than with girls that were better, because I was more attracted to her.

And the reverse of that, I've had sex with girls who were technically very good, but I didn't enjoy it all that much because I wasn't 'into' her.


I'm told malt liquor cures this ailment.

Lots and lots of malt liquor.

;)

[criptik28]

Way too weird for me, sorry.

[joltaddict]

Originally posted by ziggy
it mostly depends on my attraction to the girl I'm with.

My dick knows warm and wet. Beyond that its got no concience. I could probally do it. Id have to do the playboy on the top of his head thing but I could probally do it if it were available and I had a dry spell. No worse than banging a fat or ugly chick IMO.

[cooper2000]

Touche' Nick Danger.

Why are we always told all our lives that more is better. Bigger dicks are better, threesomes are better, more money is better but if you want to do it with Both sexes you are automatically a freak?

[just_al]

Originally posted by cooper2000
Touche' Nick Danger.

Why are we always told all our lives that more is better. Bigger dicks are better, threesomes are better, more money is better but if you want to do it with Both sexes you are automatically a freak?

Because, I would imagine of the 3 preferences (Gay, Straight, or Bi) being Bi-Sexual is the least prevalent. That makes them the freaks...


Personally, I'd have a hard time dating a bi-sexual wether I were straight or gay. I'd have to ask them to never experience the other half of their sexuality again while we were together.

Not an issue anyway since I'm hapilly married.

[joltaddict]

Originally posted by just_al
I'd have a hard time dating a bi-sexual wether I were straight or gay. I'd have to ask them to never experience the other half of their sexuality again while we were together.

I wouldnt mind if she brought home a girlfriend. :D

[J-Dubya]

grunter I know you're searching for good employment in the city, have you considered writing? You have a way with words that's humorous and a pleasure to read. I'm sure it doesn't plateau as high as litigating in terms of pay, but you never know where it may lead.

[sexy_overlord]

That weirds me out just thinking about it. If a guy wants to fantasize about me while jerking off or something it's fine as long as I don't have to know about it, but no guy is touching my special area except me.

[cooper2000]

Dark Overload with a pompous attitude like that, no one is going to want to fantasize much less touch you.

Give us all a break. (gag)

Dont flatter yourself.

[Jepthah]

The true test as far as I see it is not even what I have sex with--which is women--but what is in my mind when I whack the beast.

And that's never once been a man. Not even close. Full lips, breasts, hips, buttocks, long soft strands of hair is what I want--there's no possibility I could pretend to even begin to be attracted to a hairy, smelly, angular, coarse being of my own gender.

The only man who touches my ding-dong is my Medical Doctor when I'm having a physical.

If I can't get any wimmins, it's got to be 'the hand.' :)

[harpo787]

Who can say what qualifies as gay? I dunno...so here's my contribution (actually, it's not mine, hence the quotes...I'll say who at the end):

"My philosophy about sexuality is that I don't have a problem with anything anyone does in any way. All I ask is that you know the rules. I've sucked the dicks of several men, which a lot of straight guys won't admit to having done or wanting to do. But just like kissing a girl can't get her pregnant, sucking a guy's dick doesn't make you gay (unless you break rule #3). It's not that I'm against being gay - I just want to clarify what makes you gay. Please note that this list only pertains to guys: All women are by nature lesbians. So let's get things straight (no pun intended) - if you meet any of the qualifications below, you are gay.

1. If you get someone else's sperm on you.
2. If you've ever owned a Smiths album.
3. If you get hard while sucking another guy's dick. If you don't, your straight - unless he gets sperm on you.
4. If Michael Stipe is in the room with you and you're having sex with a woman, you're bisexual.
5. If you're at a gay bar, you're not gay. But if you're at a straight bar and you talk to another guy longer than you talk to a girl, you're gay.
6. If you tap your feet to a Smiths song.
7. If you discuss art for more than 45 minutes.
8. If you've ever worn a beret.
9. If you kiss a guy and he has a hard-on, you're not gay unles you have a hard-on too.
10. If you have any kind of sex - with a male or a female - to the Smiths, you're gay.
11. If your only purpose in life is to get girls pregnant so they can have more girls to have lesbian sex together.
12. If you jack off and you get cum on yourself.
13. If you get a boner watching "Gilligan's Island".
14. If you don't get a boner watching "Bewitched".
15. If there's a Smiths song on in a bar and you're in the bathroom with your dick in your hand.
16. If your name is Richard and you go by Dick.
17. If you're friends with anyone named Dick.
18. If you don't cheat on your wife, you're only using her as a prop to make people think you're not gay.
19. If you're friends with a model.
20. If you **** a girl who likes the Smiths
21. If you don't eat meat because the Smiths album "Meat is Murder" had an impact on your life.
22. If you do anything spiritual.
23. If you **** a pregnant woman and she's carrying a boy, you're gay. If you get sperm on the amniotic sac, the baby will grow up to be gay too.
24. If you've ever had a haircut like Morrissey.
25. If you've ever had a haircut while a Morrissey or Smiths album was playing in the room.
26. If you've ever talked about or owned a crystal - especially if its crystal meth.
27. If you've ever put Band-Aids on your nipples as a fashion statement.
28. If you've ever spent more than a week on South Beach.
29. If you're not thinking about tits right now.
30. If you still liked Judas Priest after you heard the rumor that Rob Halford was gay.
31. If you get a hard-on while taking a ****.
32. If you know what sperm tastes like (especially if it's your own).
33. If you kiss a girl with tongue after she's swallowed your cum.
34. If you get hard while reading this.
35. If you know the names of anyone who's ever been in the Smiths besides Morrissey and Johnny Marr.
36. If you're a male model.
37. If you get choked up listening to "Boy's Don't Cry" by the Cure.
38. If you're a clothing designer.
39. If you're first, last, middle or only name is Morrissey.

RULES I've broken (still author's words, NOT mine): 1, 2, 12 (this probably makes us all gay), 20 (most likely unintentionally), 26, 30, 33, 38 (I design my own clothes)."

That's Marilyn Manson's take on it. I'd dare say that everyone has broken at least one rule on that list, and therefore, we're all gay.

While I'm not gay, I've got no problem with those who "choose" (is it a choice?) to be. I'm also comfortable enough with myself and my sexuality to say if a guy is handsome or not.

[joltaddict]

Originally posted by cooper2000
Give us all a break. (gag)

Dont flatter yourself.

No, sexy_overlord really is unbelieveably hot. You know who he looks like? Christie Love. 'Member that TV show "Get Christie Love"? She was a black female cop. She always used to say "You're under arrest, sugar." Every guy who has seen S_O has jerked off to him at least once.

And whats with this waitress? I've been here a long ****ing time and she's only refilled my coffee three times. I think she should be able to refill my coffee at least six times.

[Giles]

I can only vouch for #1, #3 and #32.

Plus, I love the song "There is a Light that never Goes Out"

[cooper2000]

I remember Get Christie Love.

"Hold it Suga".

I take that back, I'll fantisize about you Overlord, oh, wait, I wasn't suppose to tell him. Damn it.

[Nick Danger]

#7 and #8 mean Pablo Picasso was gay. :confused:

[icondude]

Originally posted by Buford T Pusser


Do they have the kid in the stroller while it's happening? Are you saying you do this in the mall bathroom?
:whofart:

Some of us are still waiting for an answer on this one.

[joltaddict]

Originally posted by icondude
Some of us are still waiting for an answer on this one.

Some of us read page five. :p

[Buford T Pusser]

Originally posted by joltaddict


Some of us read page five. :p


Oooofffff!!!!!

[Bushdog]

Originally posted by joeblow69


I completely disagree there. I could have sex with women, and even enjoy it, but that isn't going to make me straight. Eh, I don't know. I'm pretty skepitcal about bisexuality. It seems to me to be a transition from one state to another, not an endstate. I'm basing this on some stuff I've read, I don't claim to say if it is true or not.

[cooper2000]

Bushdog,

Try it and get back to us.

[DaveyDay]

Well, I'm sure no one cares, but just figured I'd give you an update. I figure it's relevant to the thread.

It's been like a week now and it hasn't happened again.

In fact, I've only talked to this guy once, and that was like 2 days after it happened.

It was a little weird talking to him and he told me to give him a call during the week.

I don't think I can call him though.

[Nick Danger]

This thread is up to page 6 and you think no one cares?

After a quickie when the other person says "Call me sometime," he probably doesn't mean it.

[cooper2000]

You havent called him?
What a dissapointment.
Booooo!

[DaveyDay]

You think I should?

[miked998]

I think you should call him and set up a time when you can do this again when you are sober. You have nothing to lose. You will probably enjoy it. I do not find myself attracted to guys at all but I have received bj's from a couple gay/bi guys and they were alot better than any of the females bj's I have gotten.

[cooper2000]

Do what you want to do but dont not do it because of some of the people on this board are trying to classify you.

[speedy1961]

No problem DaveyDay

[miked998]

DaveyDay, How about an update.

[LX98Civic]

Sorry, that dude would NO longer be my friend!

If a guy even has second thoughts on this, you are not straight, IMO!

[DaveyDay]

Well...it ended up happening again on Friday night. I was kinda drunk again. I really was planning on being sober to see if I could do it, but it was a Friday night and we were out at a bar before we went back to his apartment.

It was good, but I'm still kinda confused as to what I want.

[Bushdog]

Originally posted by cooper2000
You havent called him?
What a dissapointment.
Booooo! Why the pressure on him?

In the end he's gotta do what feels right, not what some guy on a message board wants him to do.

[cooper2000]

Something is up if you keep doing it dude.

[Buford T Pusser]

Originally posted by cooper2000
Something is up if you keep doing it dude.

My guess is his penis is up.

[Kube]

Davey...did you return the favor?

[DaveyDay]

Originally posted by Kube
Davey...did you return the favor?

I did not.

[joeblow69]

Davey, did he swallow?

IMHO, if you found someone willing to suck down your sperm slurpy at a moments notice, you are one lucky man indeed.

To pass up good head from a swallower is just nuts :D

Here's my take on the situation:

If he swallows, there's a good chance he's just a cum-hungry whore. Use him for all he's worth. That's all he wants.

If he spits, chances are he's doing this because he has feelings for you. Tread lightly.

[gcribbs]

Originally posted by joeblow69
Davey, did he swallow?

IMHO, if you found someone willing to suck down your sperm slurpy at a moments notice, you are one lucky man indeed.

To pass up good head from a swallower is just nuts :D

Here's my take on the situation:

If he swallows, there's a good chance he's just a cum-hungry whore. Use him for all he's worth. That's all he wants.

If he spits, chances are he's doing this because he has feelings for you. Tread lightly.

What if he is a cum-hungry whore who has feelings for him :confused:


does he spit them lick???


I guess this post now officially means i will never hold elected office ;)

[DaveyDay]

He swallowed. He did the first time too.

I was surprised for some reason but happy.

[Buford T Pusser]

I would think that a guy that wants to do this would swallow. Are there a lot of guys that don't swallow?

[joeblow69]

Originally posted by Buford T Pusser
I would think that a guy that wants to do this would swallow. Are there a lot of guys that don't swallow?

Swallowing someone's load isn't one of the safest things in the world to do, especially if you don't really know the person (as Davey said.. he's not a good friend, just an aquaintance).

Someone who would offer a casual friend blowjobs and hungrily gobble up the lovejuice is what I would call a "slave-to-cock". These types of guys generally are past caring about any diseases, and are usually just out trying to find the next dick to suck.

[cooper2000]

Some guys like to swallow, others do not. The same for Woman.
Its an aquired taste. Kinda like beer.

[Buford T Pusser]

Originally posted by cooper2000
Some guys like to swallow, others do not. The same for Woman.
Its an aquired taste. Kinda like beer.

I see.







http://www.volition.com/chat/images/cheers.gif

Two guys that have acquired the taste.

[DaveyDay]

Sorry to bump this thread back up but I figured this is the best place.

So I guess I'm bisexual.

[joltaddict]

Originally posted by DaveyDay
So I guess I'm bisexual.

You gonna come all the way out and tell us your regular username?

[joeblow69]

Originally posted by DaveyDay
Sorry to bump this thread back up but I figured this is the best place.

So I guess I'm bisexual.

So was there something else that happened recently that led you to this conclusion?

[NYC Bi Cpl]

Originally posted by DaveyDay
Sorry to bump this thread back up but I figured this is the best place.

So I guess I'm bisexual.

As long as you are comfortable with you you are and what you are doing.....comfortable with yourself that is. It doesn't matter one bit hwat anyone else thinks or calls you. As our signature says....

[Aghama]

Originally posted by joltaddict

You gonna come all the way out and tell us your regular username? You're too suspicious, jolt.

[joltaddict]

Originally posted by Aghama
You're too suspicious, jolt.

Psssst... page 4.

Originally posted by DaveyDay
First off, joltaddict is right. I registered the name to post this because I had been struggling with it for a week

[Bushdog]

It's kvrdave:eek:

[Big Quasimodo]

Originally posted by Bushdog
It's kvrdave:eek:

I KNEW IT!!! Wait'll I tell the guys over at the Fantasy league (this will give a WHOLE new meaning to "Fantasy League"). ;)

[icondude]

Originally posted by rodeo
on a side note grunter...what is a Stroller Daddy???


I did s search on the internet and came up with this picture...

http://www.father-time.com/images/products/outdoor/OT040103.jpg

[cooper2000]

Not a bad looking guy but the shorts are all wrong and he has to get rid of the kid.

[DaveyDay]

Originally posted by joeblow69

So was there something else that happened recently that led you to this conclusion?

Yeah, after the second time, it started happening more often.

The first couple of times, he just gave me head. The exception being the first time when I briefly tried it on him.

Lately things have gotten more intense. I'm still not very comfortable with the idea, but that only seems to be after the fact. Before and during, I'm actually having a really good time.

I don't think my regular username is really that important.

[waporvare]

Originally posted by DaveyDay


Yeah, after the second time, it started happening more often.

Lately things have gotten more intense. I'm still not very comfortable with the idea, but that only seems to be after the fact. Before and during, I'm actually having a really good time.



Does this mean that now you return the favor? Have you branched out to more than oral?

As for the guilt, i'm sure it's bothersome but if you now accept that you're bi that should pass eventually.

[Nick Danger]

This means that you and Techichick and hang out together and check out the guys and the girls!

Feeling guilty afterwards is not unique to you. If you're feel terrible a day or two later, asking yourself "how could I have done that?", thinking there's something wrong with you, or just beating yourself up, remember that a lot of people went through the same thing and are fine now. It's part of making a major shift in your world view. Somewhere in the back of your head you still had the idea that it's wrong to do, even if you told yourself that you didn't really believe it. It takes a while to pull out those hidden ideas.

If you liked it, and he liked it, and no one else is getting hurt by it, why do you feel bad?

[DaveyDay]

Originally posted by vapoRware

Does this mean that now you return the favor? Have you branched out to more than oral?


Well...yeah. To both.

It's become a lot more...sensual...I guess you could say.

I understand that the guilt will probably go away. I only feel guilty immediately afterwards. As I said before, I'm really into it otherwise.

[Buford T Pusser]

How old are you? Have you been with women and not found it fulfilling?

[joeblow69]

Originally posted by DaveyDay


Well...yeah. To both.

It's become a lot more...sensual...I guess you could say.

I understand that the guilt will probably go away. I only feel guilty immediately afterwards. As I said before, I'm really into it otherwise.

I think guilt is normal the first couple times. I know I felt guilty the few times I had sex with another man. I remember the day after my first time, I was freaking out at work all day, cause I had this weird feeling that people were staring at me, and they just somehow "knew" how deviant I was.

The easiest way to get over feelings of guilt over sex is to watch lots and lots of porn. Seriously! When you first start having sex with men, you may have never seen it done before, you can get anxiety... " Oh my god, I can't believe I'm doing this! normal people don't do this!" and all that jazz.

The more you see other people do it, the faster you realize it really isn't a big deal at all. Not only that, but you may get some good pointers!

[cooper2000]

I felt the same way the first few times I did it with a male. Everyone says its wrong and thats why you feel the guilt but if you like it and it feels right, that should be the only thing that counts.

[Big Quasimodo]

Originally posted by Nick Danger
If you liked it, and he liked it, and no one else is getting hurt by it, why do you feel bad?

Originally posted by joeblow69
The easiest way to get over feelings of guilt over sex is to watch lots and lots of porn. Seriously! When you first start having sex with men, you may have never seen it done before, you can get anxiety... " Oh my god, I can't believe I'm doing this! normal people don't do this!" and all that jazz.

The more you see other people do it, the faster you realize it really isn't a big deal at all.


Originally posted by cooper2000
Everyone says its wrong and thats why you feel the guilt but if you like it and it feels right, that should be the only thing that counts. .

:jawdrop: Unfreakin' believeable!

If it feels good to you it must be OK? If you like it and it doesn't hurt anybody else it's OK? Lots of people do it, so it's no big deal?

Geez. Sounds like things a dealer says to a kid they're trying to get hooked on drugs!

I am not saying homosexuality/bisexuality is immoral, but it sounds like some of you think that morality is a disposable concept.

If people feel guilt when they do something, it is because their morality is making them question their actions. Exploring ones psychological makeup is a good thing; each adult should be responsible for constructing our own sense of right and wrong, and not blindly accept societal or familial mores, but to preach "If it feels good, it must be good." is a little much...

[joeblow69]

Bigs,

It may sound like we're making light of this, but homosexual guilt is a very serious problem, that damn near every gay man has to deal with at some point in their life.

A lot of us are programmed at a very young age (for whatever religious reasons) that homosexuality is a sin, is deviant, etc... so when all of a sudden we find ourselves attracted to other men, guilt, self loathing, and fear are just some of the feelings that we have to deal with.

There is no reason to feel guilty to being attracted to someone of the same sex. There is no reason to feel guilty for acting on that attraction. If you can't get over the guilt, you will be miserable for the rest of your life, so you might as well deal with it now.

And if that means a non-stop 10 hour marathon of hot gay porn, so be it!

[cooper2000]

Because you have guilt means you shouldnt do it?
We're not talking about drugs here, were talking about Societys hangups.
Society says its a no no so of course you are going to feel guilty. Why wouldnt you but that doesnt mean everyone is right.
Just because it feels good doesnt mean its right but the experience is what is getting you through the whole process in your head of wether its right or wrong.

[sfsdfd]

Originally posted by cooper2000
Society says its a no no so of course you are going to feel guilty.
Um, no.

There's an odd similarity between being solicited by Jehovah's Witnesses to accept Jesus Christ as my personal savior, and being solicited by gay men to "put aside my societal hangups" and become bisexual. Same tactics, same "campaign" feel to the whole thing.

My response is the same to both offers, really. I won't turn Christian because <b>I don't believe in God.</b> It's not the "devil's" work or peer pressure or an addiction to sin; I just don't believe in God.

Similarly, <b>I'm not attracted to men.</b> It's not homophobia or bowing to societal condemnation; I'm just not attracted to men.

I'm sorry if you can't accept that, but that's not really my problem.

- David Stein

[focker]

Originally posted by sfsdfd
Similarly, <b>I'm not attracted to men.</b> It's not homophobia or bowing to societal condemnation; I'm just not attracted to men.That's all fine and good, but that doesn't mean that a genuinely bisexual man won't feel guilty because of societal taboos like cooper2000 said. I don't think he was saying that anyone who would feel guilty diong it is bi, just that feeling guilty about having sex with a man doesn't necessarily make you straight.

[joeblow69]

Originally posted by sfsdfd

Um, no.

There's an odd similarity between being solicited by Jehovah's Witnesses to accept Jesus Christ as my personal savior, and being solicited by gay men to "put aside my societal hangups" and become bisexual. Same tactics, same "campaign" feel to the whole thing.
- David Stein

There is actually a big difference between Jahovah's Witnesses and gay men. Nowhere in the Offical Gay Charter does it encourage us to actively go out and recruit those who are clearly not interested. Sure, some misguided gays will try to do this anyway (after all, there is a perverse thrill in bagging a straight boy) but please don't condem all of us over the misguided tactics of a few.

Of course, if you are devestatingly handsome, all rules in the Official Gay Charter are null in void, in which case, you'll just have to learn to live with all of us "recruiters" trying to get down your pants.

[Big Quasimodo]

Originally posted by cooper2000
Because you have guilt means you shouldnt do it?
We're not talking about drugs here, were talking about Societys hangups.
Society says its a no no so of course you are going to feel guilty. Why wouldnt you but that doesnt mean everyone is right.
Just because it feels good doesnt mean its right but the experience is what is getting you through the whole process in your head of wether its right or wrong.

Yes. I would say that if one has guilt about something, one shouldn't do it. Or should do it at the peril of their mental well-being.

Guilt is the symptom of violating ones moral compass. Now, if one determines that one is not actively in control of having determined their sense of right and wrong, certainly one should engage in introspection and analysis and determine their personal moral convictions. If this examination alleviates the guilt, then the activity can be engaged in without psychological baggage....if not, then the immoral activity should be abandoned for the preservation of the healthy mind.

The message that was delivered above, and perhaps only in haste, rather than with conviction, is basically "Ignore your feelings of guilt....they'll go away over time." The same philosophies apply to the drug dealer, the pimp, and the army seargent who wants to convert a pacifist. What really needs to be done is the opposite...don't ignore your internal locus of control, examine it, and own it.

P.S. I realize that the plight of the gay person in our society is not one that I have had to experience, but I do believe I have some general understanding of the overwhelming struggle for acceptance that gay people have to face. It must be very difficult and it must seem unfair. I would caution, however, that blaming society for creating guilt by advancing their moral agenda is very similar to gay community members encouraging a conflicted person to "just ignore the guilt". In each case, an external group of individuals is trying to become the moral arbiter for the individual.

It is incumbent upon each psychologically actualized person to develop his own internal locus of control (even if it is to accept an institutionalized set of values), and abandon being an uninvolved slave to an external locus of control.

[cooper2000]

No one is saying you forcing you to agree with Homosexuality and I would hardly compare it to Johovas Witnesses, what I am saying is, be who you want to be and dont stop because of biased people like yourself and because of ranting letters going off on tangents that dont have anything to do with coming to terms with your sexuality.

[DaveyDay]

Wow, a lot has happened since yesterday.

Well, to answer the question posed on the last page, I have been with women. Since I was 16. That's four years now.

Being with a guy didn't really cross my mind, because I was satisfied with women sexually. Or maybe I just thought I was.

About the guilt thing, I really don't know what to say. When I'm with this guy, it is very sexually pleasing. Before I meet up with him, I'm really excited about what we'll be doing.

Afterwards though, I feel kind of bad and can't believe that I was doing what I was doing. Isn't that to be expected though?

[cooper2000]

That is to be expected.
You have to do what you think is best for you, not what the naysayers are posting below.
Keep your mind open and you will be fine.

[suziq999]

All I can think when I read this is: Shaggy is back.

I apologize if this is really a serious post, but I just have a very hard time believing all this.

[joeblow69]

Originally posted by Big Quasimodo


Yes. I would say that if one has guilt about something, one shouldn't do it. Or should do it at the peril of their mental well-being.


This is silly. So if you feel guilty after the first time you masturbated, then that's your moral compass telling you that you should never masturbate?

What about women who feel guilty after having sex? Should they abstain from sex entirely, or should they try having sex other women? Maybe that's just their moral compass telling them they are lesbians?

Or maybe it's just they fell for the concept that "sex is bad" and they should just get over it?

[DaveyDay]

Originally posted by suziq999
All I can think when I read this is: Shaggy is back.

I apologize if this is really a serious post, but I just have a very hard time believing all this.

I could understand you comparing me to Shaggy if I started a different thread every 2 days that told of some outrageous new experience.

I assure you I'm serious here.

[cooper2000]

I have many friends that denied their feelings towards men because everyone said they were fly by night feelings, they got married because everyone said that was the thing to do and now they are married to Woman, have a kid and are cheating on their wives.

The feelings dont go away!
He did what everyone told him and look where it got him.

You get my pointBig Quasimodo, sfsdfd among others.

[Big Quasimodo]

Originally posted by joeblow69


This is silly. So if you feel guilty after the first time you masturbated, then that's your moral compass telling you that you should never masturbate?

What about women who feel guilty after having sex? Should they abstain from sex entirely, or should they try having sex other women? Maybe that's just their moral compass telling them they are lesbians?

Or maybe it's just they fell for the concept that "sex is bad" and they should just get over it?

It's not silly, it's the simplest, logical fact of basic psychology that one could imagine.

If you feel guilty after masturbation, then your moral compass is telling you that masturbation is wrong, hence the guilt. Resolving the inconsistency between your logic telling you it is OK to masturbate, and your emotion of guilt, is the psychological conundrum. To continue to masturbate, and feel guilty, is a deadend. The goal is to resolve the inconsitency between your logic and emotions so that you can masturbate without guilt.

Advising someone to just keep on doing it, and eventually the feelings will change, is silly, and, ultimately, not true. The feelings won't change until the moral impasse is resolved.

Anyway, I am repeating myself, so I will abandon this argument...

[cooper2000]

yeah youre repeating yourself and making yourself sound even more like a narrowminded ass.

[Big Quasimodo]

Originally posted by cooper2000
yeah youre repeating yourself and making yourself sound even more like a narrowminded ass.

The "persecuted" posture you have been taking in your defensive responses plays poorly. My posts have never condemned homosexuality or made a moral judgement about sexual behavior. You are trying to reframe my posts as negative about gays, which is false and disingenous.

My posts have merely been trying to get across the simple point that if a behavior is causing pain, then perhaps the behavior should be suspended until such time as it can be practiced without pain.

Read the sentence above again. If it hurts, don't do it. At least until you figure out why it hurts and can take steps to protect yourself.

Where is that narrow-minded or anti-gay?

I have worked (and studied) extensively with the gay population on psychological issues. This community has an increased incidence of substance abuse, eating disorder, and suicide (among other issues). Issues of low-self esteem and a loss of support systems after coming out can lead to an increase in self-destructive behaviors. These issues can be understood and resolved with introspection, and, in some cases, therapy.

Telling a fellow gay person to "just don't worry about your feelings of guilt", while perhaps well-intentioned as supportive, is doing them a true disservice. IMHO.

[Kube]

I know lots of straight people who suffer from "This community has an increased incidence of substance abuse, eating disorder, and suicide (among other issues). Issues of low-self esteem and a loss of support systems after coming out can lead to an increase in self-destructive behaviors."

Also the above can be caused by how people think of and treat gay people.

[joeblow69]

Originally posted by DaveyDay

Afterwards though, I feel kind of bad and can't believe that I was doing what I was doing. Isn't that to be expected though?

Davey, I really think one of the main reasons first timers have hangups with gay sex is exactly what you stated. It's hard to picture yourself doing it, because all your life you've been unindated with pictures of male-female sex (in movies, on tv, hell even walking down the street you'll see men and women holding hands and kissing.)

I didn't have any kind of sex until my early 20s, mainly for this reason. I knew I didn't want to have sex with women, but I I'd never seen 2 men together, and whenever I tried to picture it in my mind, I'd always imagine Meshach Taylor (http://www.top200films.com/films/mannequin/mannequin_pics/13_create.jpg) (from that movie Mannequin... remember that one??? Yikes...). There really were no gay role models back then, so it was really tough for me to get over that image I had burned into my head.

If you want to feel more comfortable having gay sex, you might want to try immersing yourself in gay culture a bit. Nothing drastic, maybe start with some gay themed movies?

Gay themed movie recommendations (http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=188688&highlight=gay) has a whole ton of movie reviews that may help.

My favorite has been Trick (http://tlavideo.com/templates/catalog_details.cfm?c=2&v=2&sn=1&id=119621) a very cute little romantic comedy starring that sexy guy from the Ford Focus commercials.

Like I said before, a little porn wouldn't hurt either. My absolute fav is Thick as Thieves (http://www.adultdvdtalk.com/price_search/search_item.asp?sku=6387). Trust me, it's the best 50 bucks you'll ever spend.

[Big Quasimodo]

Originally posted by Kube
I know lots of straight people who suffer from "This community has an increased incidence of substance abuse, eating disorder, and suicide (among other issues). Issues of low-self esteem and a loss of support systems after coming out can lead to an increase in self-destructive behaviors."

Also the above can be caused by how people think of and treat gay people.

Of course the heterosexual population has psychological issues. The operative phrase in my quote is increased incidence. (and this isn't an opinion)

The defensiveness of a number of people in this thread is incredible. Even supportive posts and facts are pervceived as attacks or slights.

And, to pre-empt any posts asking a question such as "Well, wouldn't you be defensive if xxx% of the population thought you were ____________?", I would answer, "No, I would be well along the road in a lifelong process to become confident and assertive about my choices and lifestyle."

[cooper2000]

I agree with Joeblow.
I stayed in the closet until my 30s because of the negative stereotype of gay males and thats just what it is a stereotype
Rent a few gay oriented movie.
A few movies I like that you might rent are Edge of Seventeen and All Over the Guy. These are not "Adult" films but merely movies with gay men in them.

[Vampyr]

Originally posted by Big Quasimodo
Hell no!

Well stated..........Yikes!!!!! Just thinking about this makes me...:yack:

[Nick Danger]

I have to agree with Quasi's expanded position. If you feel bad about something, coming to terms with the source of the discomfort is a Good Thing. If the source idea is worth following, you need to adjust your behavior to match. If the source idea is not worth following, recognize it for what it is and get it cleared out of your preconcious.

I was not being glib in my previous post. Asking whether or not a certain action hurts other people or yourself is a sound basis for a revised moral philosophy. Thus, "if it feels good, and no one is getting hurt, why do you feel guilty" is an important question to ask yourself.

[Lord Rick]

Perhaps you feel guilt, not because the sex is gay, but because it is meaningless, without love.

Maybe subconsciously you feel like you are "using" the other person, and this makes you feel bad.

Not to minimize the other feelings you may be having about the gay aspects. Those feelings may be just magnifying the others.

[Beno]

Originally posted by DaveyDay
I don't see myself ever going out with a guy.

Yeah, no dating...just hummers.... :)

[redscare24]

ummm, ew?

[PaperStreetSoapCo]

I say you spend some time away from your male friend, and see how your feelings change. It's not too good to indulge in this much pleasure in such a short amount of time, considering the situation. If you continue, it's possible you might very much regret it in the future.

But that's not to say you're a confused heterosexual. The time you have apart might make you realize that you really do like being with men as well as women, and you'll know yourself better after that. After that, it just depends on who you want to be with more.:)

Oh, and as for the question, if it were under certain circumstances, I don't see why not.;)

[jweb2006]

I am bisexual and I know for a fact that getting head from a guy doesn't make me any less attracted to women. I prefer women, but like a few of you already realized - men give better head (and I'm more than sure you know this more from experience than word of 'mouth').

As men are notorious for masturbating, does this make every man in the world gay? Even if it is your OWN penis, you're STILL playing with a penis!

Homophobia just isn't "in" anymore. In a world dominated with Eminem-esque closet cases - there's just NO POINT!

Push the limits of your sexuality, you might be surprised.

[Buford T Pusser]

Wow-your first post really bumped an oldie.

How did you find that one to post in first?

[joltaddict]

If youre gonna bump an oldie... at least this is a goodie. :lol:

[Buford T Pusser]

That's right. I'm an oldie but a goodie too. Who wants to bump me? Phil L? I still have one outlet open for use.


http://red-hot-copy.com/uploaded_images/lo%20e%20grandma%20madison-737112.JPG

[Buford T Pusser]

Dammit. Mrs. Pusser's posting from my account again. Sorry about that one. She should just get her own account.

[Nick Danger]

So, will anyone tell us what happened to DaveyDay? I need closure!

[Buford T Pusser]

He gave partial closure when he said he was letting his friend swallow his spunk but he wasn't sure how he felt about it.

I agree-where is he at now-sexually speaking?





I just checked and every one of his posts were in this thread. Guess we won't be reading about him again.

[Johnny Zhivago]

Da' bump = the art?

[jbnugent]

I'm surprised that the ubiquitous "This thread is useless..." graphic hasn't been posted yet. NOT that I'd ag