Male bisexuality is now hip

[art]

From mainstream movies to mainstream TV shows, male bisexuality is getting more publicity than ever. Yet the porn industry lags behind, preferring to ban male-male contacts in all the "straight" porn movies it puts out. We are at an interesting stage in history where the mainstream is out-doing the straight porn industry in its inclusiveness. One of the upshots of this will be people questioning whether the straight porn industry represents progress or regress.

[Birrman54]

the straight porn industry represents capitalism at its purest. nothing more, nothing less.

there's no profit in making social statements if no market exists.

[wildcatlh]

You're back! How we've missed you!

[art]

Rocco's movies already contain some fleeting male-male contact. So there.

[Bushdog]

*waves* I missed your singleminded silly agenda. Good to see you, art.

[Max Bottomtime]

Thank God Art is here to inform us or else we would never be able to correct the history book during this important moment in time. We may have never known that in future times, people will look back at us and realize that our best representative of mankind was Andy Dick.

[The_Infidel]

Notice when this thread has appeared. I think art is getting turned on by all the football players running around on the field...

...or maybe by Mick Jagger.

Maybe art can tell us how football is just an excuse for closet homosexuals to touch and grope each other.

[NCMojo]

Hey art! Good to see you! Honestly, you haven't changed a bit!

Now that that's out of the way... what are these examples of "hip male bisexuality" that you speak of? I mean, there's Brokeback Mountain... but it's pretty clear that the protagonists of that movie are, in fact, gay.

So what are you talking about?

[criptik28]

http://adorocinema.cidadeinternet.com.br/filmes/dogma/dogma-poster02.jpg

(Double entendre)

[KDforever]

It's art! Oh man, where have you been? We were worried.

[Another Secret User]

Art's back! Art's back!

[big whoppa]

Wow, Art's back. Time for everyone to jack off to gay porn. ;)

[bigsoos]

I saw a video clip yesterday with Taylor Rain that grossed me out. A guy cums in her mouth, and then she spits it into his waiting mouth. :wacko:

[NCMojo]

Wow, Art's back. Time for everyone to jack off to gay porn. ;)
Hey, that was my plan even before art showed up.

[Mrs. Danger]

I hope you are not going to insist that I put gay porn in my straight coloring books

[MartinBlank]

-popcorn-

[FiveO]

-popcorn-

:lol: damn...beat me to it!

[art]

Yeah, right...trivialize me if you wish. I'm onto something here, and it's backed up by changes in the mainstream. Some of you will be in shock when you realize that male bisexuality is coming out of the closet and will be incorporated in straight porn movies. It's already happening to a small extent as I mentioned earlier. Those who fail to see the curve will languish in the dust of their dismissiveness.

[TomOpus]

At least my dust has a vagina.

Neener!

[MartinBlank]

Those who fail to see the curve will languish in the dust of their dismissiveness.


:shrug:

That doesn't make any sense.

[Max Bottomtime]

Art, I really hate to prolong any of your endless agenda threads, but can you show any examples of this movement you speak of regarding the change in mainstream media? I see gay males on television more than ever before, but I can't think of a single example of male bisexuality being pushed into the mainstream as you say.

[art]

Andrew from Desperate Housewives is bisexual. In Brokeback Mountain, the male leads have relations with both men and women. Deal with it.

[phr33k]

ITS ART OMGZZZZZZZZZ1!!!!!!111111111



jack off to gay porn imo. :repost: :eyebrow:





EDIT: Last time i posted here i got suspended because i was 17 BUT GUESS WHAT I'M FUCKING 18 NOW :blush:

[art]

I know what I'm talking about as I have my feelers out for cultural change. It is the straight porn conservatives who are resisting this inevitable change. They are the cultural conservatives of the modern era.

[Max Bottomtime]

Andrew from Desperate Housewives is bisexual. In Brokeback Mountain, the male leads have relations with both men and women. Deal with it.
I haven't seen either film, but as Eric Cartman said, all independent films are about gay cowboys eating pudding.

[Joe Molotov]

ITS ART OMGZZZZZZZZZ1!!!!!!111111111



jack off to gay porn imo. :repost: :eyebrow:





EDIT: Last time i posted here i got suspended because i was 17 BUT GUESS WHAT I'M FUCKING 18 NOW :blush:

Really? I would have guessed a bit lower. :lies:

[Buford T Pusser]

You're back! How we've missed you!


and with this I award my first ever Strong Disagreement.

[Buford T Pusser]

*waves* I missed your singleminded silly agenda. Good to see you, art.


I don't dare issue a second Strong Disagreement.


So I'll go with a Strong Agreement. I agree with whatever Bushy says.

[PopcornTreeCt]

it's hip to be square

[devilshalo]

Wow, Art's back. Time for everyone to jack off to gay porn. ;)
Wrong, you're supposed to jack off to guys in straight porn. -ohbfrank-

[Rockmjd23]

I'm onto something here, and it's backed up by changes in the mainstream.
Not to mention, backed by dictionary facts.

[FinkPish]

Yay, a new art thread. It is possible to escape from the sexual ghetto!

[pixie1]

I know what I'm talking about as I have my feelers out for cultural change. It is the straight porn conservatives who are resisting this inevitable change. They are the cultural conservatives of the modern era.

thought i'd never hear the words 'straight' 'porn' 'conservatives' said altogether in a single sentence...whodathunk...

[big whoppa]

Yeah, right...trivialize me if you wish. I'm onto something here, and it's backed up by changes in the mainstream. Some of you will be in shock when you realize that male bisexuality is coming out of the closet and will be incorporated in straight porn movies. It's already happening to a small extent as I mentioned earlier. Those who fail to see the curve will languish in the dust of their dismissiveness.

There already are porn movies out with male bisexual scenes but it seems to attract a small segment of pron buyers. The adult industry couldn't care less about changes in culture when it's the almighty dollar that counts. And real straight men who buy the majority of straight porn don't want to see guys doing each other.

You may be blurring the lines between true bisexuality and guys who have had relationships with women but who are actually gay but remain in the closet. I don't think they are the same.

[FinkPish]

But it's hip now, so if you aren't into it, then you're a square, man. Bi is the new gay.

[Bandoman]

I know what I'm talking about as I have my feelers out for cultural change.


I have my feelers out too, but I didn't feel anything. Damn.

[Mrs. Danger]

Hey, I think Art is at least accepting the fact that he may be bisexual. Good for you, Art, your mental health is improving.

But, I worry about you. If the porn industry DOES start including man-on-man action in straight porn, what will you have left to keep you interested? Wherever will you go, whatever will you do?

[Buford T Pusser]

If the porn industry DOES start including man-on-man action in straight porn, what will you have left to keep you interested? Wherever will you go, whatever will you do?


Dammit. Now I have the MASH theme song in my head. :(

[Brain Stew]

Dammit. Now I have the MASH theme song in my head. :(
Suicide is painless.

Apparently so is male on male sex.

[Nick Danger]

Hey, I think Art is at least accepting the fact that he may be bisexual. Good for you, Art, your mental health is improving.

But, I worry about you. If the porn industry DOES start including man-on-man action in straight porn, what will you have left to keep you interested? Wherever will you go, whatever will you do?

Art will sit right back and laugh at the conservative straight porn industry left behind the curve languishing in the dust.

[Bandoman]

So.

Any other guys in here up for frolicking in our physicality?

[Buford T Pusser]

Obviously Bando's feelers are out.

:eek:-other-:eek:


Sorry but my balls are a bit light right now.

[costanza]

the sooner you guys admit that you love a cock in the ass the better. i know i do.

i ain't frolicking through the ghetto though. a brother'll get shot over that shit.

[Mopower]

So is there a Mr. Art yet?

[Tscott]

So is two cocks in the same pussy considered a bisexual act? I've been seeing that more and more recently in DP titles (rather than the 'traditional' one in the pink, one in the stink). Maybe Art is right!:eek:

[NCMojo]

Andrew from Desperate Housewives is bisexual. In Brokeback Mountain, the male leads have relations with both men and women. Deal with it.
Uh, I don't think anyone believes that Brokeback Mountain is a film about two bisexual cowboys, art. So your "pop culture" reference consists entirely of a bit character on Desperate Housewives. Not a good sign.

But I'll play your rogue game, art. Tell you what -- let's assume that you're right. Let's say that the vast majority of supposedly heterosexual men are like yourself and are craving some hot man-on-man action in straight porn. Clearly, then, there is a demand... but where is the supply? It's not there. So what does that give you? That's right.

A MILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY!!!

Grab a decent-quality digital camcorder, some editing software and some decent lights... heck, I'd think that $10,000 and a cut of the profits could get you a bevy of quality porn stars. You could probably star in a few scenes, if you wanted to, to more or less "brand name" your product.

(Do you have a big pron 'stache, art? Ah, well, you could grow one or buy yourself a Bill Cowher makeup kit.)

The genius of this idea must be readilly apparent to you. Good luck in your endeavor. No, no need to thank me -- just drop me a six-figure check when you finish buying your second mansion or your third trophy husband.

My work here is done.

[maxfisher]

Yeah, right...trivialize me if you wish.

Art rhymes with Bart, cart, chart, dart, depart, Descartes, fart, heart, impart, lawn dart, mart, part, restart, smart, start, tart!

Quart and wart look like they'd rhyme with Art, but they don't!

Art has two anagrams, tar and rat!

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[KDforever]

Dammit. Now I have the MASH theme song in my head. :(


I love that show.

[Bandoman]

I love that show.

M*A*S*H* was a typical mainstream television show in denial of reality. I mean, come on - three grown men living together for years in a tent in Southeast Asia? Do you think they never got down and dirty with each other? Hello?

[Turd Ferguson]

I don't even like it when balls touch in a DP scene.

[roadbikeguy13]

http://fapomatic.com/06/nyb0306_1.jpg

[AGuyNamedMike]

Suicide is painless.

Apparently so is male on male sex.

I'm not certain, but I think that depends on... nevermind.

[costanza]

I don't even like it when balls touch in a DP scene.


even if they're in the same yam bag?

[Mrs. Danger]

No croquet for you, then!

[art]

A lot of you are drawing the false conclusion that I want to see more "bisexual" movies. That's not really the point, although I would eventually like to see better "bisexual" movies where there is a variety of action rather than the stereotypical two guys/one girl threesome. How tired has that become, by the way.

No, what I really want to see is movies that are like your regular "straight" movie but with a bit of male-male thrown in here and there. Call it predominantly straight but with some bi male action occasionally. I hope I've made myself clear.

Note how I have put the words bisexual and straight in quotation marks to illustrate the ludicrous and inaccurate labels that are used by the porn industry in general. This industry needs an overhaul, big time.

[FinkPish]

A lot of you are drawing the false conclusion that I want to see more "bisexual" movies. That's not really the point, although I would eventually like to see better "bisexual" movies where there is a variety of action rather than the stereotypical two guys/one girl threesome. How tired has that become, by the way.

No, what I really want to see is movies that are like your regular "straight" movie but with a bit of male-male thrown in here and there. Call it predominantly straight but with some bi male action occasionally. I hope I've made myself clear.

Note how I have put the words bisexual and straight in quotation marks to illustrate the ludicrous and inaccurate labels that are used by the porn industry in general. This industry needs an overhaul, big time.
This is the clearest you've ever been in any post.

But this is just your own personal preference, not something necessarily lacking and being called for in larger numbers by the porn viewing community. Obviously, you see yourself as being on the leading edge of some new movement, but based on the responses you get in every single thread you post about this, this movement doesn't seem to exist because no one has ever agreed with you. And I would say that this board is quite diverse in its tastes and outlooks.

You say the industry needs a "big time" overhaul, but as far as I can tell, this is just you asking for male-male contact, so I would hardly say the porn industry is behind the times, or as you've said before, somehow supressing it because of fear or overly-conservative beliefs.

[KDforever]

Did I miss anything good? I'm too lazy to read through all of this. Thanks.

[The Bus]

I know what I'm talking about as I have my feelers out for cultural change. It is the straight porn conservatives who are resisting this inevitable change. They are the cultural conservatives of the modern era.

Thank you for alerting us to the invention of Male Bisexuality on February 5, 2006. This will certainly be a watershed day for future generations.

[JimmySRU]

Art man support what you want dont let these guys get you down. However instead of talking about movies all the time why dont you go and get what you want in person and in the flesh.

[Mrs. Danger]

Don't worry Jimmy. it is impossible to get Art down.

[art]

Fink Pish,

When you use the perceived status quo (i.e. only male-directed homophobes purchase straight porn) to justify the actual status quo (i.e. the directive that straight porn must never include male-male action), you end up in a situation of stasis where nothing ever changes. Progress never happens under that scenario. My view is that this reflects what is wrong with America today: too many managers and not enough leaders.

[Cygnet74]

Fink Pish,

When you use the perceived status quo (i.e. only male-directed homophobes purchase straight porn) to justify the actual status quo (i.e. the directive that straight porn must never include male-male action), you end up in a situation of stasis where nothing ever changes. Progress never happens under that scenario. My view is that this reflects what is wrong with America today: too many managers and not enough leaders.
that's kind of like the kettle calling the kettle a kettle, art.

[FinkPish]

Fink Pish,

When you use the perceived status quo (i.e. only male-directed homophobes purchase straight porn) to justify the actual status quo (i.e. the directive that straight porn must never include male-male action), you end up in a situation of stasis where nothing ever changes. Progress never happens under that scenario. My view is that this reflects what is wrong with America today: too many managers and not enough leaders.
But who says that this new bisexuality is progress, other than you? Where is this viewpoint coming from, other than your own head? You talk about status quo, but you haven't brought any evidence forward that shows that this move towards bisexuality (or whatever you want to label it) is the new status quo (or the current status quo) and we are all just being shielded from it by the "conservative porn industry." You just keep talking about facts but I have yet to have seen any, dictionary-supported or otherwise.

[Mrs. Danger]

I dunno.. the idea of such corruption in the porn industry frightens me.

[Max Bottomtime]

I dunno.. the idea of such corruption in the porn industry frightens me.Same here. Next thing you know, there will be rumors of drug use and money laundering in the porn industry. If only they would allow Art to be in charge. :)

[Buford T Pusser]

Did I miss anything good? I'm too lazy to read through all of this. Thanks.


Just some woman said she liked MASH and Bando countered that they were shirking their man on man responsibility.

[jkberden]

Memo to self: DO NOT BECOME HIP.

[Buford T Pusser]

Memo to self: DO NOT BECOME HIP.



That's easy for you to say.


This just might be art's wet dream:



http://futility.typepad.com/futility/images/huey20lewis20hip20to20be20square20c1_1.jpg

[costanza]

notice how all the guys are overlapped?

HAWT!

[greg9x]

Ya know... I did the spikey hair thing, the striped dress shirt thing and this whole HDTV thing... I think i've done too much trendy and hip stuff... i'm gonna sit this one out !!




Note how I have put the words bisexual and straight in quotation marks to illustrate the ludicrous and inaccurate labels that are used by the porn industry in general. This industry needs an overhaul, big time.

Yeah, I really hate knowing what my porn's gonna be... where the hell is the mystery in that ??

[big whoppa]

It would really be funny to discover that art is actually a 15 year old girl.

No offense, art.

[KDforever]

Just some woman said she liked MASH and Bando countered that they were shirking their man on man responsibility.

Coo, thanks Buford. I knew I could count on you. ;)

[Lemdog]

It is the straight porn conservatives who are resisting this inevitable change. They are the cultural conservatives of the modern era.

Many How did I miss this thread! It is full of great stuff for sigs.

[maxfisher]

We all know art's taken this cause as far it can possibly go and is only still hammering away on it because he hasn't been able to come up with a new one worthy of his time. I think we should help out by pointing out injustices we've observed where his efforts might be helpful.

Dear art,
I've noticed that the vast majority of fast food restaurants are lagging behind the times. Despite the fact that most people prefer grape jelly as a hamburger condiment, woefully few burger joints have added it as an option. If fact, it's so rare that I'd venture to guess that when someone's lucky enough to go to McD's and drive away with a grape jelly burger, it's probably just an 'accident'. These restaurants are obviously behind the curve and wallowing in languidness. They really need to recognize that we will no longer settle for being left in the dust of dismissativity. Could you please help?
Thanks,
maxfisher
P.S. I think it has something to do with conservatism.

[Nick Danger]

dismissativity

:lol:

[Giantrobo]

Memo to self: COME ON HIS HIP.


:eek:

[MartinBlank]

Something to make art happy.... http://icnewcastle.icnetwork.co.uk/sundaysun/news/tm_objectid=16667347&method=full&siteid=50081&headline=was-our-ken-telling-it-straight--name_page.html

If you're not hip, you're....gay? :scratch2:

[costanza]

i think it moved

[Mrs. Danger]

Who says that all homosexual men are effeminate?

[SlamMan]

I'd be interested in what everyone else things about what TScott wrote. Two wee-wees instered in one vagina or anus, neither wearing condoms, both rubbing against each other.

Is everyone avoiding this subject because it validates what Art is talking about. Art, have you seen these?

Diabolic and Anabolic are studios that have produced movies where this "circus" act takes place. I don't mind it, somewhat enjoy it, but I don't mind watching the ghey stuff either.

[FinkPish]

I'd be interested in what everyone else things about what TScott wrote. Two wee-wees instered in one vagina or anus, neither wearing condoms, both rubbing against each other.

Is everyone avoiding this subject because it validates what Art is talking about. Art, have you seen these?
For me, if the act still is primarily to pleasure the female in the equation (the central focus of straight porn) then I don't see DP or anything like that as bisexual. If the guys in the equation also aren't getting off from that specific contact or doing it specifially to pleasure each other, then also no. However, that doesn't discount someone like art from watching a scene like that and getting off.

[pixie1]

[QUOTE=FinkPish] If the guys in the equation also aren't getting off from that specific contact or doing it specifially to pleasure each other, then also no.[QUOTE]


but then again, if they are participating only to feel pleasure and give pleasure to the women, then why participate in a DP in the first place?wouldn't they recieve the equivilant just by doing one on one? what is the benifit in having a second male?


just my thinking...

[pixie1]

If the guys in the equation also aren't getting off from that specific contact or doing it specifially to pleasure each other, then also no.


but then again, if they are participating only to feel pleasure and give pleasure to the women, then why participate in a DP in the first place?wouldn't they recieve the equivilant just by doing one on one? what is the benifit in having a second male?


just my thinking...

[FinkPish]

but then again, if they are participating only to feel pleasure and give pleasure to the women, then why participate in a DP in the first place?wouldn't they recieve the equivilant just by doing one on one? what is the benifit in having a second male?


just my thinking...
Unless it is some sort of reality porn, it is all acting anyway. The primary focus of the act is all for the pleasure of the female, and consequently, for the audience watching as well. I would assume the second male just adds a fantasy element; I think a lot of guys would be uncomfortable doing double duty on a woman with another guy.

[achau9598]

wouldn't the idea alone of guy/guy action in a straight vid then make the vid no longer straight?

The problem I have is that if I rent a straight video and that happens, then I'd be pissed. Perhaps, Art, what you want is a new strain of video - the "alternative" genre. Something that is no longer "straight" should be labeled as such.

[Nick Danger]

A spammer hit the Adult Forum last night. He posted his advertisement for an adult DVD site in about a dozen threads.


He didn't post to this one, though. Must be one of those conservatives.

[La Bella Rose]

This thread need less talk and more straight male on male action...-ohbfrank-

[NORML54601]

http://www.keepmyfile.com/thumb/1139518744d9d485.gif (http://www.keepmyfile.com/image/d9d485474361)

[Buford T Pusser]

Why does the guy with the girl have a cloth over his face? Was he getting tricked into letting a girl suck him off?

But what's the difference since it's a glory hole? :confused:

[Mrs. Danger]

Man... I wouldn't stick my dick into something I didn't know for sure what it was. And my dick is plastic!

[KDforever]

Man... I wouldn't stick my dick into something I didn't know for sure what it was. And my dick is plastic!

rotfl :up:

[costanza]

wouldn't the idea alone of guy/guy action in a straight vid then make the vid no longer straight?

The problem I have is that if I rent a straight video and that happens, then I'd be pissed. Perhaps, Art, what you want is a new strain of video - the "alternative" genre. Something that is no longer "straight" should be labeled as such.

GHETTO!!!

[The_Infidel]

Who says that all homosexual men are effeminate?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/The_Infidel/mistert.jpg

[pixie1]

wouldn't the idea alone of guy/guy action in a straight vid then make the vid no longer straight?

The problem I have is that if I rent a straight video and that happens, then I'd be pissed. Perhaps, Art, what you want is a new strain of video - the "alternative" genre. Something that is no longer "straight" should be labeled as such.


but you're already watching gay porn most of the time, what do you think girl on girl is? i mean i get what you're saying, it's just funny that i experience the very thing you're suggesting on a regular basis...:lol:

[The_Infidel]

Two girls getting it on does not make it "gay porn". "Straight porn" means it's a movie designed to entertain a straight male. Straight males are, undoubtedly and arguably, the largest market of pornography, so that's why you don't see two guys getting it on. The heterosexual male does not want to see this. Most heterosexual men are, however, turned on by two women getting it on. The women may be lesbians, but because the movie itself was geared toward said heterosexual male, it is "straight porn".

I don't think porn should be labeled anyway. It makes it sound like people of varying sexual orientations are forbidden from watching certain types of movies. A movie showing two girls having sex is both appealing to straight men and lesbians...so how can you label that movie?

[Buford T Pusser]

Mr. Infidel-are you saying that *gasp art's whole stance is invalid?

[The_Infidel]

I won't say his stance is "invalid". He apparently feels strongly about something, but I still think he's full of crap and just going on these diatribes to cause arguments and people to lash out at him. I think it makes him feel justified as some kind of "gay porn martyr" because of it all.

If he is legit, then let's put it this way...he needs a new dictionary of facts. The guy is trying to prove the world is flat again, and it ain't gonna work.

[Mrs. Danger]

I think he's full of crap

Maybe he is a closet enema fetishist?

[Buford T Pusser]

If so that would be a helpful fetish.

[mosquitobite]

but you're already watching gay porn most of the time, what do you think girl on girl is? i mean i get what you're saying, it's just funny that i experience the very thing you're suggesting on a regular basis...:lol:

I can't watch scenes with 2 women. Sorry to anyone bi or lesbian, but as a straight female it just grosses me out :shrug:

Mutual masterbation is all it is. Give me a REAL man! -other- :hump:

[Mrs. Danger]

I can't give you Nick, but Im willing to rent him out by the hour.

[criptik28]

i think it moved

rotfl

So appropriate considering your username! :up:

[lilquit]

i am a girl and guy on guy is not cool or a turn on.
girl on girl yes . girls are sexy with better bodys. the best thing about a guy is his dick the last thing a girl wants to see is 2 guys kissing

[art]

Two guys kissing is now in fashion following the success of Brokeback Mountain. It's hip. You should see all the women posting on the message boards about it. It's much hipper for two guys to be kissing these days - get used to it. Just make sure they're good looking.

[Lemdog]

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4562/180pxdrewcarey5vq.jpg
This man was hip at one time also. And he did it without kissing other guys.
I miss the Drew Carey show. :sad:

[Lemdog]

Two guys kissing is now in fashion following the success of Brokeback Mountain. It's hip. You should see all the women posting on the message boards about it. It's much hipper for two guys to be kissing these days - get used to it. Just make sure they're good looking.

Hey Art can you give me some links to these message boards?

[The_Infidel]

They're found in the back section of the Dictionary of Facts.

[Mrs. Danger]

i am a girl and guy on guy is not cool or a turn on.
girl on girl yes . girls are sexy with better bodys. the best thing about a guy is his dick the last thing a girl wants to see is 2 guys kissing


I'm a woman, and I LIKE to see two guys kissing. Or two women kissing, or a guy and girl, or..... It's not the gender, or physical appearance, but the passion that gets to me.

But, don't take my opinions too seriously, I also like to tie guys up and make them scream.

[Buford T Pusser]

But, don't take my opinions too seriously, I also like to tie guys up and make them scream.


I'll start the line for those who like to see you tie art up and make him scream but not in a good way. :eek:

[Mrs. Danger]

Yoo-hoo! Art! Wanna play in the tool shed? Nick says I can!

[Bushdog]

I'd be interested in what everyone else things about what TScott wrote. Two wee-wees instered in one vagina or anus, neither wearing condoms, both rubbing against each other.

Is everyone avoiding this subject because it validates what Art is talking about. Art, have you seen these?

I don't "do" DP, and don't watch much porn at all. I'm here because Art is a legend.

Art has history, so we're commenting on his general view that
1) He really really wants to see men have sex with other men
BUT
2) He doesn't want to have to buy gay or bisexual porn to enjoy male/male action. He wants to see it in straight porn.

You see, it seems that art is a manly man, all heterosexual and the like, but desires the cock.

Now, that makes sense, doesn't it? :confused:

[maxfisher]

Two guys kissing is now in fashion following the success of Brokeback Mountain. It's hip. You should see all the women posting on the message boards about it. It's much hipper for two guys to be kissing these days - get used to it. Just make sure they're good looking.

Well shit art, you should've had the bit about the message boards in your first post! If I'd known this was what all the women were wanting right now, I'd have been making out with men nonstop for days. You know, because I like women.

[riley_dude]

Wow, Art's back. Time for everyone to jack off to gay porn. ;)
Everyone knows the guys in gay porn are hotter than the guys in straight porn.

[DaveCole]

I also like to tie guys up and make them scream.

Sigh, why can't I meet a woman like you?

[Buford T Pusser]

Everyone knows the guys in gay porn are hotter than the guys in straight porn.


Is that some sort of plot to make us want to catch tey gey?

[RoyalTea]

i never knew heterophobia existed

[NCMojo]

Well shit art, you should've had the bit about the message boards in your first post! If I'd known this was what all the women were wanting right now, I'd have been making out with men nonstop for days. You know, because I like women.
Oh sure, yeah. That's why I like making out with men, too. Hey, if just we're just kissing and it makes the women hot... what about if we started rubbing each others cocks? And then maybe we could suck each other off, and then I could get some lube and...

Uh, I mean -- yeah, if it gets the women all hot...

[riley_dude]

sounds good to me.

[Mrs. Danger]

Oh heck, everyone just heap up in a pile, and get hosed down with lube.

[Lemdog]

Damit I want to see these message boards!

[KDforever]

Oh heck, everyone just heap up in a pile, and get hosed down with lube.

Man that would be fun. :lol:

[TomOpus]

Man that would be fun. :lol:<---- leaps on top of Kitty. wheeeeeeeeee!

[costanza]

slippery little suckers

[Lemdog]

<---- leaps on top of Kitty. wheeeeeeeeee!

Easy you two this is a public forum. Everyone can see what you are doing.

[KDforever]

<---- leaps on top of Kitty. wheeeeeeeeee!

Woo-hoo! :banana:

[KDforever]

Easy you two this is a public forum. Everyone ca see what you are doing.

You and Ben are welcome to join us, Lemmie. ;)

[Lemdog]

Leave Ben out of this!

[Bandoman]

Damit I want to see these message boards!


You have to go to the internet ghetto to find them.

[Buford T Pusser]

Werd Bandyoman.

[Mrs. Danger]

Careful when you jump on the pile! Someone just squipped out of the bottom of the pile like a watermelon seed! I think it was Art...

[tenaciousdave]

I fully expected Art to be Lucky Pierre though. You'd think that would give him better traction in the pile. :hscratch:

[art]

I don't see double penetrations (different or same orifices) as gay at all. Put it this way: if two guys can be in each other's presence with full erections and without the slightest desire to have sex with each other, they're not gay. In fact, I would say it's a very heterosexuality-affirming act. The bonding that occurs with such affirmation is akin to that which occurs between men in times of warfare. Think of it as a sexual battle where the tumescent swords are on the same side.

[Buford T Pusser]

I like that. Those guys should get the Purple Heartdon award.

[Mrs. Danger]

Art, have you been watching videos that have psychic subtitles? How do you KNOW the guys aren't really thinking "Damn, when we are through doing this for money, I want to go in the back room and bang this guy!"

[art]

Even Willie Nelson has now gotten into the act.

[maxfisher]

I don't see double penetrations (different or same orifices) as gay at all. Put it this way: if two guys can be in each other's presence with full erections and without the slightest desire to have sex with each other, they're not gay. In fact, I would say it's a very heterosexuality-affirming act. The bonding that occurs with such affirmation is akin to that which occurs between men in times of warfare. Think of it as a sexual battle where the tumescent swords are on the same side.

art, it took long enough, but you finally came up with some imagery I have to put in my signature.

Hilariousness aside, two guys DPing in the same orifice is every bit as gay as it is straight. Getting off to the feeling of both a penis and vagina rubbing against your cock is just as bisexual as if you were taking a dick up the ass while having sex with a woman.

[Lemdog]

Art please, for the love of god, show me some of these message boards.

[Buford T Pusser]

Once someone posted a few of the other message boards where art does this same crap. I'm guessing he's talking about his messages on the other boards.

[Terrell]

Yet the porn industry lags behind, preferring to ban male-male contacts in all the "straight" porn movies it puts out.

Because heterosexual males are by far the largest purchasers of straight porn, or porn in general, and they have no desire to see gay males get it on. Females getting it on is okay, but males would find gay sex a turnoff and extremely uncomfortable, as it would me. Yes, it's definitely a double standard, without a doubt. But that's the way it is. Most males such as myself have no problems with gays in any way. That doesn't mean we want to see them have sex or gay contact. Just as gay mean have no desire to see straight sex.

[wergo]

Because heterosexual males are by far the largest purchasers of straight porn, or porn in general, and they have no desire to see gay males get it on. Females getting it on is okay, but males would turn their stomach, as it would mine. Yes, it's definitely a double standard, without a doubt. But that's the way it is. Most non-homophobic males such as myself have no problems with gays in any way. That doesn't mean we want to see them have sex or gay contact.

Well, no, but it's really just one more thing to fast-forward over. I have no interest in feet, and yet now that's so common that it's not even considered a niche fetish any more. Almost every straight porn title now has at least one scene of someone sucking someone else's feet. I just roll my eyes and hit the FF button. You can't really have made-to-order porn, it's like watermelon; there's always gonna be some seeds to spit out. Heck, even with guy/girl or girl/girl scenes, they're gonna often feature women I don't want to have to lookm at.

Seeing as how straight women don't consume a significant amout of porn, does it matter if they're interested in guy-on-guy action anyway? How is it gonna affect production decisions? (And besides, hiring actors to do each other just means you're gonna have to pay 'em more, and the industry just HATES having to pay guys any more than they have to.)

I am gonna note that there were an awful lot of ads for 'Brokeback Mountain' in Cosmo when it came out, and that the number of tampon commercials on 'Queer As Folk' did have me wondering just what demographic the network was persuing with this. I don't doubt that there ARE a significant number of women who get off on guy-on-guy action, I just have serious doubts that they're gonna seek the entertainment value they so crave through straight porn any time soon. Perhaps the industry might move towards a "one size fits all" aesthetic; discs with scenes for everyone. But it sure seems as if the';re marketing what they have now towards being MORE excusive, not more inclusive.

[riley_dude]

Because heterosexual males are by far the largest purchasers of straight porn, or porn in general, and they have no desire to see gay males get it on. Females getting it on is okay, but males would find gay sex a turnoff and extremely uncomfortable, as it would me. Yes, it's definitely a double standard, without a doubt. But that's the way it is. Most males such as myself have no problems with gays in any way. That doesn't mean we want to see them have sex or gay contact.
But ask yourself why? Most Straight Men love seeing too Woman do it. Is that because they are taught that is ok and man on man sex is not?

[FinkPish]

But ask yourself why most straight men love seeing two women do it. Is that because they are taught that is ok and man on man sex is not?
Allow me to correct some spelling and puncuation before I respond.

Would you say that homosexuality is somehow taught in the same way? I have never seen any evidence that enjoying a specific act is somehow a learned thing. I never had anyone or anything specifically teach me that lesbian sex was good and gay sex was bad; it was just a preference.

[wergo]

But ask yourself why? Most Straight Men love seeing too Woman do it. Is that because they are taught that is ok and man on man sex is not?

Isn't that the tail wagging the dog? It's because I'm turned on by women and not men that I define myself as straight, not the other way around.

No one taught me not to like strawberry ice cream or country and western music either; I just don't. I'm not interested in buying neopolitan ice cream knowing that I'm just gonna leave the strawberry untouched, and I have little interest in buying the remastered edition of Elvis Costello's 'Almost Blue' album. That's time and money better spent on uncontaminated chocolate and rock music.

[wergo]

Would you say that homosexuality is somehow taught in the same way? I have never seen any evidence that enjoying a specific act is somehow a learned thing. I never had anyone or anything specifically teach me that lesbian sex was good and gay sex was bad; it was just a preference.

Not even just acts (aren't they pretty much the same regardless of gender?); the straight porn industry has tried valiently lo these many years to teach me to be attracted/aroused by tall blonde women with fake boobs that look like bowling balls. It still hasn't worked. Some stuff is just innate and can't be taught.

[Mrs. Danger]

I'm still trying to recover from the idea of "tumescent swords"

[ilmmtaitw1]

I'm still trying to recover from the idea of "tumescent swords"

What's that?

[Buford T Pusser]

I only managed to find a few references to this:


“We remain firm in our anticipation of a forceful and satisfying climax to this campaign against the evil ones. Our tumescent swift swords are unsheathed and at the ready, and we will stay the course,” said Wanker. “We have the rod, and our eager hands are upon it, and we shall not spoil the child.”




Vowing to “unleash the tumescent justice of my trembling swift sword,” Bush promised the children that his policies would banish evil from the world, increase life expectancy, improve crop production, make their parents love them, bring democracy to ant farms and aquariums, and stop horrible monsters from hiding under the beds and in the closets of innocent American children.



so there you go

[big whoppa]

Main Entry: tu·mes·cent
Pronunciation: -'mes-&nt
Function: adjective
: somewhat swollen <tumescent tissue>


Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc


The bonding that occurs with such affirmation is akin to that which occurs between men in times of warfare. Think of it as a sexual battle where the tumescent swords are on the same side.

Thank art for the vocabulary lesson and great metaphor.

[Mrs. Danger]

How do you keep an edge on that?

[logrus9]

How do you keep an edge on that?

By stroking it on a whetstone.

[MartinBlank]

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=20317

You'll go blind art. :lol:

[big whoppa]

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=20317

You'll go blind art. :lol:

A Bi title with the emphasis on bi. I think art wants man on man action in a straight movie.

[Buford T Pusser]

This new title must be the talk of all the other internet forums!

[riley_dude]

Not even just acts (aren't they pretty much the same regardless of gender?); the straight porn industry has tried valiently lo these many years to teach me to be attracted/aroused by tall blonde women with fake boobs that look like bowling balls. It still hasn't worked. Some stuff is just innate and can't be taught.
:up:

[joltaddict]

I would eventually like to see better "bisexual" movies where there is a variety of action rather than the stereotypical two guys/one girl threesome. How tired has that become, by the way.


Youre so jaded.

[Buford T Pusser]

tila/Jolt-as a member of the porn community maybe you can suck a few cocks and get this done for art.

[Terrell]

But ask yourself why? Most Straight Men love seeing too Woman do it. Is that because they are taught that is ok and man on man sex is not?

No, I would say it's because straight men are attracted to hot women regardless of what they're doing, short of eating their own shit. ;):D Because of that attraction, any way they can see women suits them just fine. For a lot of straight men, there's just something erotic about two hot women getting it own. But let's be honest here. The reason most straight me who watch porn don't mind it, is because the women are usually hot. Now turn that around and ask men if they want to see an ordinary lesbian couple get it on, most would say no. It sort of destroys the illusion. Simple fantasy that most men know they'll rarely experience in real life, especially with gorgeous women.

[acf28]

The moment I learn of a male actor doing "bi" scenes I will forever consider him gay & would avoid any films with him in a "straight" role since I would not find him believable.

I've already begun to avoid flicks with female on male analingus since, though still technically hetero for obvious reasons, it's not exactly very "manly" to have your shitter licked by anyone, female or male.

[NCMojo]

The moment I learn of a male actor doing "bi" scenes I will forever consider him gay & would avoid any films with him in a "straight" role since I would not find him believable.

I've already begun to avoid flicks with female on male analingus since, though still technically hetero for obvious reasons, it's not exactly very "manly" to have your shitter licked by anyone, female or male.
In this corner we have art... champion of male-on-male action in heterosexual porn! And in this corner we have acf28... champion of the anti-ass-licking crowd!

Let's get reeeeadddy to rummmmmmble!

[art]

My view is that many men who like watching two women together are actually acting out their own same-sex desires. ln other words, the watching man desires to do it with another man. Closet-cases are famous for it.

As for the notion that two men together isn't hot, that's been blown out the window recently. A poll to find the ten sexiest scenes of all time shows that the kiss between Heath and Jake in Brokeback Mountain is the second-sexiest of all time, second only to the spanking scene in Secretary. This was an on-line poll of 120,000 people, mind you. Dinosaurs need to understand that male-male action is now officially hot in the mainstream. Get used to it or get out the way.

[dick_grayson]

I've always thought that any dude who was into Vanessa Del Rio was also into dudes since she sizes up as one and has a lot of male features. That's all I got.

[FinkPish]

My view is that many men who like watching two women together are actually acting out their own same-sex desires. ln other words, the watching man desires to do it with another man. Closet-cases are famous for it.
Why wouldn't men who were acting out their own same-sex desires just watch two men get it on? What kind of retarded logic is this?

As for the notion that two men together isn't hot, that's been blown out the window recently. A poll to find the ten sexiest scenes of all time shows that the kiss between Heath and Jake in Brokeback Mountain is the second-sexiest of all time, second only to the spanking scene in Secretary. This was an on-line poll of 120,000 people, mind you. Dinosaurs need to understand that male-male action is now officially hot in the mainstream. Get used to it or get out the way.
I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you on this fact; bisexuality and homosexuality have become more accepted in the mainstream. As for it being hot and/or sexy, well, that's still up to the viewer to decide.

[DRG]

As for the notion that two men together isn't hot, that's been blown out the window recently.

You're missing the oh-so-obvious here: everyone has different ideas about what turns them on. You seem to believe that every man is secretly turned on by other men, but we're all just too close-minded to admit it. Yet you are absolutely convinced guys only like woman-woman action because of the same deep-seeded homosexual desires. Why can't you accept that some people just don't share your interests? You seem determined to project YOUR personal sexual interests onto the public as a whole. It's like some sort of reverse-engineered way of trying to fit in.

[wergo]

My view is that many men who like watching two women together are actually acting out their own same-sex desires. ln other words, the watching man desires to do it with another man. Closet-cases are famous for it.

So close; actually guys who get turned on by G/G scenes are actually closet transsexuals who secretly want to BE girls but, deep down, know that, no matter what operations they have, they'd NEVER be able to become the young, hot, sexy babes they drool over. -ohbfrank-


You've overthinking it, and it's really painfully simple; straight guys get turned on by watching girls; the sexier and the more naked the better. They don't get turned on by watching stinky, hairy, smelly guys. G/G porn gets rid of the guy that's in the way and replaces him with more girls - everybody wins!

The entire situation is pure presentation; guys don't like to watch unattractive lesbians and no one really believes that the girls aren't just "gay for pay." It's not the homosexuality that's the turn on; it's the girls.

Wouldn't guys who are turned on by watching guys be more likely to watch M/F porn and just pay attention to the guy in the scene?

Here's the test; do you think that the majority of guys who get turned on by watching girls together would more likely get turned on by watching a girl by herself masturbating or watching a guy by himself masturbating? One person by themselves cannot, by definition, be homo- or herero-, that's defined by the attraction of the observer.

Porn, I would suggest, is not dictated by subject but by content (great, now I'M overthinking it).

Are there a lot of real lesbians who watch m/m gay porn?

[art]

The content of the watched act is not always an accurate guide to the sexual orientation of the voyeur. A lesbian woman might like watching two men together, a gay man might like watching two women together, a straight man might like watching two men together etc etc. Take-home message: don't confuse content of the watched act with sexual orientation of the voyeur.

As for the notion that men like watching two women together simply for the aesthetic beauty of the women, I don't think it's always the case. If that were always the case, then two beautiful women simply posing would suffice.

[wergo]

The content of the watched act is not always an accurate guide to the sexual orientation of the voyeur. A lesbian woman might like watching two men together, a gay man might like watching two women together, a straight man might like watching two men together etc etc. Take-home message: don't confuse content of the watched act with sexual orientation of the voyeur.

I'd agree with you in terms of general media entertainment but not in terms of porn. I might think that a scene in 'Mr. And Mrs. Smith' (for instance) is hot, without actually being attracted to either Angelina Jolie or Brad Pitt and I might think that a scene in 'Brokeback Mountain' is hot, without actually being attracted to either Heath Ledger or Jake Gyllenhaal. But porn is a whole other matter; there is no external subjectivity; the ONLY reason to watch it is to get turned on. To suggest that someone would watch staged porn with any other motive that immediate gratification would require some support. Footnotes, perhaps?

A gay man may like watching two women together, but is he being sexually aroused by it? etc.

I can understand the opposite being true; for instance, a gay woman NOT watching a scene of two attractive women together that she might otherwise be aroused by because she's too aware that the scene is staged specifically for the heterosexual male gaze and finds it politically degrading. Something more ideologically pure might be required. But I can't imagine anyone being aroused simply BY the ideological purity. Is anyone watching porn they don't care for out of spite?

[NCMojo]

As for the notion that two men together isn't hot, that's been blown out the window recently. A poll to find the ten sexiest scenes of all time shows that the kiss between Heath and Jake in Brokeback Mountain is the second-sexiest of all time, second only to the spanking scene in Secretary. This was an on-line poll of 120,000 people, mind you. Dinosaurs need to understand that male-male action is now officially hot in the mainstream. Get used to it or get out the way.
First, please note that this was an online poll conducted by LoveFilm.com, which is a European DVD service -- most porn is produced and sold in America. Second, they sent out the poll to 120,000 of their members -- they don't say how many members actually responded. Third, it's an online poll, which means that the results are hardly an accurate appraisal of public taste.

Finally, five of the ten sexiest scenes selected were girl-on-girl -- and the number one scene involved spanking. Are you advocating more scenes of spanking in heterosexual porn as well?

(By the way, your argument that men enjoy watching girl-on-girl is actually indicitive of their desire to watch man-on-man is as riddiculous a statement as my eating steak because I really want chicken.)

[Buford T Pusser]

art

Where's the link for that online poll you quoted?

[NCMojo]

art

Where's the link for that online poll you quoted?
http://www.hollywood.com/news/detail/id/3484165

[art]

NCMojo,

Face it - the notion of male-male as sexy is now mainstream. Brokeback Mountain has gone over the heads of the poser porn-crowd and said to society: look how sexy two hot guys together can be, mashing lips and all. It's simply a fact you're going to have to deal with. As I said before: dinosaurs get out of the way or you'll be crushed.

What a breath of fresh air it is to have something new in the mix for a change. Thanks goodness for Ang Lee and Brokeback Mountain. It's exposed the dinosaurs. Just wait til the DVD comes out. Millions will be sold. You won't be able to deny the sexiness of male-male passion.

[FinkPish]

NCMojo,

Face it - the notion of male-male as sexy is now mainstream. Brokeback Mountain has gone over the heads of the poser porn-crowd and said to society: look how sexy two hot guys together can be, mashing lips and all. It's simply a fact you're going to have to deal with. As I said before: dinosaurs get out of the way or you'll be crushed.

What a breath of fresh air it is to have something new in the mix for a change. Thanks goodness for Ang Lee and Brokeback Mountain. It's exposed the dinosaurs. Just wait til the DVD comes out. Millions will be sold. You won't be able to deny the sexiness of male-male passion.
It's sexy to those who find it sexy, not as a general rule. I don't find it sexy at all; it's just not my thing to see two guys kissing. And I can't see how this somehow makes me or anyone else who thinks this way a "dinosaur." It's just personal preference, and that's never wrong.

[wergo]

What a breath of fresh air it is to have something new in the mix for a change. Thanks goodness for Ang Lee and Brokeback Mountain. It's exposed the dinosaurs. Just wait til the DVD comes out. Millions will be sold. You won't be able to deny the sexiness of male-male passion.

Well, I suspect the producers of 'Queer as Folk' and 'Six Feet Under' would like SOME of the credit, at least.

[DaveCole]

Just because homosexuality is being accepted in "mainstream" movies and television shows does not mean that the majority of people are going to want to pop in a "made for hetero" porn with guy on guy action. There is a big difference between Heath and Jake kissing in Brokeback Mountain and seeing a couple guys in all out hardcore action.

disclaimer: I mean no offense to those who enjoy male/male sex. To each there own, and if this is your thing more power to you. Personally I like cute chubby girls. A lot of people don't, but I don't plan on demanding more chubby girls in my mainstream porn. There is a flavor of porn for everyone. Art, I wish you the best of luck in realizing your dream. Just note that I won't be watching any of them.

[sjrab16]

Brokeback was not a that huge of a success. I mean the movie only made 80 million so far in the United States.

As for "straight porn" and "bi-porn", you will never see gay sex in "straight porn". Otherwise like everyone else said, it would not be "straight porn" any more. Now eventually "bi-porn" hopefully will get better. Better looking people, better acting, and better video...hell maybe some actually made in this country. Until then you are going to have to settle for what we have now.

[art]

Brokeback will have made over 82 million domestic box office as of the end of this weekend. That's more than Mulholland Drive and Wild Things put together. In other words, a movie with male-male passion has outgrossed a movie with female-female passion. This means the mainstream has taken to a movie containing male-male passion more than it did to ones containing female-female passion. Straight porn directors need to take note.

As an example of what straight porn can do in the right hands, look at Rocco Siffredi's movies. His latest, Real Italian Swingers, contains a blowjob scene between two men. His previous one (the title had the name Suzan in it) contained a cockfight between two of the guys wherein they walloped their penises together without a woman being present. A few of his other movies have had other forms of male-male interactions, like one man using his hand to remove another's penis from a woman's vagina. Face it - Rocco is showing how male-male interactions can be incorporated into straight porn. It seems the prudish Americans can't do it so it's up to Rocco to do it. Good on ya, Rocco.

Surely there can be no doubt that the Americans are the most prudish straight porn directors in the world.

[sjrab16]

If the money was there, you need to understand that they producers and owners of studios would be doing all they could to cash in on the money. They are not going to cash in just because they do not like that type of movie.

[art]

sjrab,

Rocco's films sell like hot-cakes. His inclusion of male-male action, although fleeting, is helping him sell even more. Concrete evidence enough for me.

[Lemdog]

Hey art are you ever going to answer my question?

[Nick Danger]

A friendly note to the newly arrived professionals from the Porn Industry:

Art is our neighborhood crank. After two years, he hasn't even changed his rhetoric. While some of us would welcome your input based on your own experiences, don't expect him to change his views.

[Mr. Self Destruct]

Slightly off-topic, is this art too?

" My information is that V for Vendetta shows a lesbian relationship, not a gay male one. If that's true, it reflects a typical hetero boys' club attitude towards homosexuality - i.e. show a lesbian romance so you can show a lesbian kiss, don't show a male-male romance so you don't have to show a male-male kiss. This is unbelievable. "

I found it on the imdb boards..

[Buford T Pusser]

That would probably be him. What was the name? He's been spotted spouting the exact same drivel on many boards. The "man" clearly has some "issues".

[The_Infidel]

Hey art are you ever going to answer my question?
The only way art answers someone's question is if it's an opportunity to simply restate his own opinion again. Otherwise, he might be risking acknowledging that someone else's point might be valid. So no, he probably won't answer your question.

[Buford T Pusser]

:thumbsup:

[The_Infidel]

Brokeback will have made over 82 million domestic box office as of the end of this weekend. That's more than Mulholland Drive and Wild Things put together. In other words, a movie with male-male passion has outgrossed a movie with female-female passion.
Art, you've finally said something valid. It definitely outgrossed both of them.

[covenant]

A friendly note to the newly arrived professionals from the Porn Industry:


You might want to post that note in one of their threads if you want them to see it.

[Bandoman]

Did someone mention something about dinosaur porn? That would be so hot.

[maxfisher]

NCMojo,

Face it - the notion of male-male as sexy is now mainstream. Brokeback Mountain has gone over the heads of the poser porn-crowd and said to society: look how sexy two hot guys together can be, mashing lips and all. It's simply a fact you're going to have to deal with. As I said before: dinosaurs get out of the way or you'll be crushed.

What a breath of fresh air it is to have something new in the mix for a change. Thanks goodness for Ang Lee and Brokeback Mountain. It's exposed the dinosaurs. Just wait til the DVD comes out. Millions will be sold. You won't be able to deny the sexiness of male-male passion.

art, art, art. Of course it will sell millions. And it will in no way be indicative of the preferences of 'mainstream' America.

1) Current US population is just shy of 300 million
2) If you look at nonsensical Christian groups' statistics, 1% of the population is gay. If you look at nonsensical gay rights groups' statistics, 20% of the population is gay.
3) This means everyone, from the craziest, most extreme Christian to the craziest, most extreme gay activist, can agree that somewhere between 3 million and 60 million gay people reside in the US.

For purposes of looking at Brokeback Mountain's revenue, let's assume 5% of the population is gay. I know 10% would be a midpoint between the two extremes, but I think the gay activists are exaggerating their numbers more than the Christian groups.

At 5% of the population, 15 million gay people would live in this country. At the national average ticket price of $6.41, if every gay person, and no one else, went to see Brokeback Mountain just one time, the movie would gross $96.15 million. Now obviously, not all gay people went to see the movie, though, based on anecdotal evidence, I'd venture that a very, very high percentage did. At the same time, I'd guess, again based on mere anecdotal evidence, many of those that did see the movie, saw it multiple times.

Of course straight people went to see the movie as well, but the fact remains that if not a single straight person saw the movie, it could still very easily achieve box office receipts of $82 million and in no way, shape or form indicate a shift in the thinking of 'mainstream' America.

[Johnny Zhivago]

Stop trying to use logic, this is an art thread... More dick please.

The ONLY person I know that's gone to see Brokeback Mountain is the girlfriend of a friend of mine. I know exactly 0 guys that went to see Brokeback Mountain. Course, the vast majority of my guy friends are straight... Yet, they have no interest in Brokeback Mountain. Bunch of dinosaurs I tell ya! Dinosaurs!

[art]

I think the thing that really riles you about that 10 sexiest scenes survey is that the Brokeback male-male passion came in second, beating out the female-female ones. I think that really riles you. Here you have a mainstream survey putting male-male passion near the top. Live with it and deal with it - male passion is now in the mainstream.

As for facts, interesting how none of you have mentioned Rocco's inclusion of fleeting male-male action. You all seem to be avoiding this undeniable fact.

[FinkPish]

I think the thing that really riles you about that 10 sexiest scenes survey is that the Brokeback male-male passion came in second, beating out the female-female ones. I think that really riles you. Here you have a mainstream survey putting male-male passion near the top. Live with it and deal with it - male passion is now in the mainstream.

As for facts, interesting how none of you have mentioned Rocco's inclusion of fleeting male-male action. You all seem to be avoiding this undeniable fact.
Aren't you tired of this "art against the world" fight that you bring to every thread you start? I don't see anyone getting "riled" in this thread, other than yourself and those reacting to your specific brand of lunacy.

I don't know who the fuck Rocco is, and I suspect many on this board don't know either, so how could they be avoiding it aside from being ignorant of his existence?

[art]

Maxfisher,

I know gay people who hated Brokeback Mountain.

The fact is that many straight women loved it. Demographics studies show that to be the case. Straight women also took their boyfriends along. For them, it was the first time they had ever seen passionate male-male kissing, the second-sexiest scene of all time.

[art]

Fink Pish,

You don't know who Rocco is? You need to get out more.

[FinkPish]

Maxfisher,

I know gay people who hated Brokeback Mountain.

The fact is that many straight women loved it. Demographics studies show that to be the case. Straight women also took their boyfriends along. For them, it was the first time they had ever seen passionate male-male kissing, the second-sexiest scene of all time.
So according to your logic, these women who liked seeing two men kiss must have a secret desire to be with other women then, yes?

[FinkPish]

Fink Pish,

You don't know who Rocco is? You need to get out more.
Enlighten me then.

[art]

Fink Pish,

Rocco Siffredi, Italian superstud extraordinaire, seller of more porn movies in America than even Jenna Jameson.

[FinkPish]

OK, well since I'm straight and only into porn for the girls, it doesn't surprise me that I know nothing about him.

Still though, what about my post above? Since these women liked seeing two men kiss, does that make them closet lesbians?

[Bandoman]

So according to your logic, these women who liked seeing two men kiss must have a secret desire to be with other women then, yes?


Ah-Ha!

I think you got him.
:lol:

[NCMojo]

First, please note that this was an online poll conducted by spam.com, which is a European DVD service ...
I just had to ask -- why was the online service I named changed to "spam.com"? That site isn't competition for DVDTalk as far as I know (more like a Netflix ripoff than anything else)... and it seemed pretty germaine to the discussion on hand. (Since art was talking up their poll as "proof" for his male-on-male obsessive theory.)

I just want to make sure I don't bend or break any forum rules... that's all. If any mod can respond, I'd appreciate it.

[art]

FinkPish,

I have never said that all straight men who watch female-female scenes are closet gay men. Similarly, I would never say that all straight women who watch male-male scenes are closet lesbians. If you can point out where I've used the word "all", I'm all ears.

However, consider this very important difference in attitudes between men and women. When men say they like to watch female-female scenes, it's often accompanied by what I call a "bragging psychosis". In other words, the men will often say "two chicks together is red-hot but two guys is disgusting". Note the statement of revulsion in relation to the male-male interaction. Here, the man is rejecting in a passionate way the notion that he might be thought of as being attracted to the male-male interaction. He is effectively putting a mirror to himself - his fragility and insecurity, borne of inner self-realization, are effectively being broadcast.

[Buford T Pusser]

FinkPish,

If you can point out where I've used the word "all", I'm all ears.


END OF THE SENTENCE USES IT.


Here, the man is rejecting in a passionate way the notion that he might be thought of as being attracted to the male-male interaction. He is effectively putting a mirror to himself - his fragility and insecurity, borne of inner self-realization, are effectively being broadcast.


rotfl

[wergo]

When men say they like to watch female-female scenes, it's often accompanied by what I call a "bragging psychosis". In other words, the men will often say "two chicks together is red-hot but two guys is disgusting". Note the statement of revulsion in relation to the male-male interaction. Here, the man is rejecting in a passionate way the notion that he might be thought of as being attracted to the male-male interaction. He is effectively putting a mirror to himself - his fragility and insecurity, borne of inner self-realization, are effectively being broadcast.

"Disgusting?" That's pretty strong. Where are you hearing guys say stuff like that? Revulsion is pretty far from mere lack of interest. "Often" seems kind of hard to believe.

Just 'cause guys don't feel obligated to whack off to something doesn't necessarily mean they find it revolting.

But, for the sake of argument, let's take the case of someone who DOES find homosexuality or bisexuality "revolting" but still gets off on girl-girl scenes. Wouldn't it be more likely that he's turned on by the idea of women "degrading" themselves than that he's overcompensating for his own hidden homosexuality?

Some people aren't just into everything. For example, I find nothing remotely erotic about feet. What, just out of curiosity, does that lack of interest broadcast about what I might be thought of as? (Note my fragile insecurity about my lousy grammar) Can't I just not care about feet in a sexual manner without it meaning anything more than that?

[FinkPish]

FinkPish,

I have never said that all straight men who watch female-female scenes are closet gay men. Similarly, I would never say that all straight women who watch male-male scenes are closet lesbians. If you can point out where I've used the word "all", I'm all ears.
I never said all either. You said "many" in your previous example, so let me ask again: Are "many" of these women who enjoy watching two men kiss secretly holding back lesbian desires?

However, consider this very important difference in attitudes between men and women. When men say they like to watch female-female scenes, it's often accompanied by what I call a "bragging psychosis". In other words, the men will often say "two chicks together is red-hot but two guys is disgusting". Note the statement of revulsion in relation to the male-male interaction. Here, the man is rejecting in a passionate way the notion that he might be thought of as being attracted to the male-male interaction. He is effectively putting a mirror to himself - his fragility and insecurity, borne of inner self-realization, are effectively being broadcast.
Your ability to deal in gross generalizations is amazing. You never say "all" straight out, but you sure give that idea in every example you make.

So according to your example, men who enjoy watching lesbian sex but dislike gay sex between men are "fragile" and "insecure?" Why wouldn't they just be broadcasting their personal tastes by watching one and not another? Why does it have to be some hidden, subversively emotional thing? You seem hellbent on teaching us all about this cultural new wave of bisexuality, but you want to reject straight male culture as some group of fucked up, emotionally fragile closet-dwellers. Why can't they co-exist? What do you have personally against straight men?

[Lemdog]

The only way art answers someone's question is if it's an opportunity to simply restate his own opinion again. Otherwise, he might be risking acknowledging that someone else's point might be valid. So no, he probably won't answer your question.

Well damit I'm going to hijack this thread until he does!

[art]

Lemdog,

One point that FinkPish raises is "co-existence". Sorry but it's the straight porn culture that doesn't want co-existence. It wants the male-male interaction out there in the boondocks. This is reflected in the fact that, if it wasn't for Ang Lee's Brokeback Mountain, none of the scenes in the top 10 sexy scenes list would contain a male-male interaction. It would all have been male-female or female-female, right in line with male heterosexual fantasy. The chip, chip, chip of male-male passion is now starting to make itself felt within the mainstream culture, the lead ironically coming from the mainstream, not the presumed "more radical" straight porn culture.

As for answering FinkPish's question, I've already done it. Do you want it with trimmings?

[Lemdog]

Two guys kissing is now in fashion following the success of Brokeback Mountain. It's hip. You should see all the women posting on the message boards about it. It's much hipper for two guys to be kissing these days - get used to it. Just make sure they're good looking.

Hey Art can you give me some links to these message boards?


Damn I've never quoted myself before.

[Mrs. Danger]

How about we put the guy-on-guy action in artwork hanging on the wall behind the two women and the cable guy action?

[wergo]

Sorry but it's the straight porn culture that doesn't want co-existence. It wants the male-male interaction out there in the boondocks. This is reflected in the fact that, if it wasn't for Ang Lee's Brokeback Mountain, none of the scenes in the top 10 sexy scenes list would contain a male-male interaction. It would all have been male-female or female-female, right in line with male heterosexual fantasy. The chip, chip, chip of male-male passion is now starting to make itself felt within the mainstream culture, the lead ironically coming from the mainstream, not the presumed "more radical" straight porn culture.

All the straight porn culture wants is more profit. "Right in line with male heterosexual fantasy" is the straight porn industry's mission statement! That "top sexy scenes" poll you quote was open to both male and female, gay, bi, straight and asexual posters, right? But the only audience the straight porn industry cares about is the straight male demographic; that's where they make their money.

The straight porn culture is NOT, and has NEVER been about being "radcal" or about taking chances, and it CERTAINLY has never been about risking their audience by making a political statement. It's about making money and it's as conservative as it can be. Surely even more conservative than the mainstream movie and TV industry. (Maybe not quite as conservative as the music industry, though....)

[logrus9]

Brokeback will have made over 82 million domestic box office as of the end of this weekend.

Of that number how many saw it not knowing of the guy on guy action? How many went simply because it was so highly advertised, at a convenient time, was directed by Ang Lee, was about cowboys, they like the actors etc.

Your logic is based on the premise that the only reason for seeing it was the male on male action.

I wonder what an exit poll not done by the promoters would have shown?

[FinkPish]

Lemdog,

One point that FinkPish raises is "co-existence". Sorry but it's the straight porn culture that doesn't want co-existence. It wants the male-male interaction out there in the boondocks. This is reflected in the fact that, if it wasn't for Ang Lee's Brokeback Mountain, none of the scenes in the top 10 sexy scenes list would contain a male-male interaction. It would all have been male-female or female-female, right in line with male heterosexual fantasy. The chip, chip, chip of male-male passion is now starting to make itself felt within the mainstream culture, the lead ironically coming from the mainstream, not the presumed "more radical" straight porn culture.
Wow, you didn't even bother to answer Lemdog's request, you just repeated something you've said half a dozen times already. Where are these message boards where all these women post about Brokeback Mountain?
As for answering FinkPish's question, I've already done it. Do you want it with trimmings?
You have never answered my question. You started a semantic argument and then started another paragraph about something else entirely. I want an answer, so if you have to, please repeat yourself.

And you also completely ignored my second paragraph, so I'll repost it in shorter form for you here: Why, in your point of view, are straight men "fragile" and "insecure" because they enjoy lesbian sex? Why are straight men not just watching what is attractive to them; why are straight men wearing masks? Is it because you just want more people like yourself?

[Max Bottomtime]

Of that number how many saw it not knowing of the guy on guy action? How many went simply because it was so highly advertised, at a convenient time, was directed by Ang Lee, was about cowboys, they like the actors etc.

Your logic is based on the premise that the only reason for seeing it was the male on male action.

I wonder what an exit poll not done by the promoters would have shown?
It's probably a good thing for Art that there isn't a poll. He only relies on obscure gay European website polls for his "facts". As for the film itself, I like both principal actors, the director, Westerns and the adverstisments made it sound like a great film. The only reason I haven't seen it, and don't plan to is because I don't wish to watch two men kissing. Call me a sicko, but being a straight male, I tend to enjoy looking at women, even their feet. :)

[Buford T Pusser]

Why are straight men not just watching what is attractive to them; why are straight men wearing masks? Is it because you just want more people like yourself?


He has issues and somehow this agenda is helping him feel better about himself. Deep down he feels he's a freak and this somehow legitimizes his feelings of guilt.

[Buford T Pusser]

The only reason I haven't seen it, and don't plan to is because I don't wish to watch two men kissing. Call me a sicko, but being a straight male, I tend to enjoy looking at women, even their feet. :)

Why must you wear a mask?

Your fragility and insecurity, borne of inner self-realization, are effectively being broadcast.

How sad for you and your fetish for women, even their feet. :(

[Max Bottomtime]

I shall seek councelling immediately. I feel so ashamed. :)

[Buford T Pusser]

Then wipe that smile off your face Mr. Bottomtime.

[Max Bottomtime]

Sir, yes Sir!

[logrus9]

Guess we won't be seeing Art for a while.

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[art]

I believe that the sensuous male-male interaction is a direct challenge to the lying dinosaurs who have so far tried to promote male-female and female-female as the only legitimate expressions of erotica in the mainstream. You know what happened to dinosaurs, don't you?

[Lemdog]

Every time you post art I'll post. That is until you answer my question.

[art]

Male bisexuality has been demonized by both conservatives and liberals, actually. Conservatives loathe male bisexuality because they are opposed to any same-sex activity whatsoever. Liberals dismiss male bisexuality because it challenges the straight porn mentality, a mentality which says that only women are bisexual, not men. In a sense, the liberal dismissal of male bisexuality can be thought of as emanating from the sexual liberation movement, a movement that was really about liberating male heterosexual fantasy.

Now, however, with increasing visibility of the sensuous male-male act (kiss, embrace etc), the whole house of male heterosexual cards is collapsing.

[FinkPish]

art, you shifty person. Answer our fraking questions. I'm also going to keep posting until you answer them.

1. Where are these message boards of which you speak?
2. Are "many" of these women who enjoy watching two men kiss secretly holding back lesbian desires?
3. Why, in your point of view, are straight men "fragile" and "insecure" because they enjoy lesbian sex? Why are straight men not just watching what is attractive to them; why are straight men wearing masks?

I'm almost convinced that art is a 'bot that just keeps regurgitating from a phrasebook, sent to make us all insane.

[Buford T Pusser]

Mr. Pish,

Too many men are dinosaurs living in a house of cards.

Get a grip!

L,

Rod

[FinkPish]

Mr. Pish,

Too many men are dinosaurs living in a house of cards.

Get a grip!

L,

Rod
There, edited to BSG specs. Maybe I should just start insulting him to get this thread closed.

[Buford T Pusser]

Edited to BSG specs? :confused:

[FinkPish]

Battlestar Galactica. Sorry, had a nerd stroke there.

[Lemdog]

Another sunrise, another post without art answering my question.

[Bandoman]

I believe that the sensuous male-male interaction is a direct challenge to the lying dinosaurs who have so far tried to promote male-female and female-female as the only legitimate expressions of erotica in the mainstream. You know what happened to dinosaurs, don't you?


Way to knock down that straw man, art. :up: "Only legitimate expressions of erotica in the mainstream?" Who said that?

Oh, and can you find a new metaphor? The dinosaur thing is getting old. No pun intended.


Edit: the whole house of male heterosexual cards is collapsing.

My bad. Well done, sir. Well done indeed.

[Buford T Pusser]

I thought you weren't going to post in his threads anymore Mr. Man.

[Bandoman]

I thought you weren't going to post in his threads anymore Mr. Man.

How can I not? Until the house of dinosaur cards is eradicated and the mainstream catches up to America's fascination with male-male deep kissing, there shall be no rest.

[Buford T Pusser]

Glad to see you're being vigilant while avoiding turning into a vigilante.

That really warms my cackles which oddly enough resemble dinosaur eggs.

Your deal...

[tenaciousdave]

Personally, I don't think there is enough straight sex in gay porn.

[jtl1295]

I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions of really good bi videos, My wife loves to hear stories of my bisexual adventures before we got married and we discuss having our on, but just havent found the right person. We have bought several bi videos, but most of them are really bad. Does anyone know of any bi porn that has a plot to it. Especially of any that might have a plot where there is a husband and wife and they have a bisexual threesome with another man? Any help would be helpful. Thanks in advance.

[LiquidSky]

Hi jtl1295:

Please check out my review for "Bisexual Dreamer" in the gay review section. The movie has an actual plot and some very hot scenes.

LS/Poindexter

[jtl1295]

I ordered bisexual dreamers today.

[nottituck]

Hey art! Good to see you! Honestly, you haven't changed a bit!

Now that that's out of the way... what are these examples of "hip male bisexuality" that you speak of? I mean, there's Brokeback Mountain... but it's pretty clear that the protagonists of that movie are, in fact, gay.

So what are you talking about?


i tot that if a guy can do both men and women they are bisexual?

[nottituck]

:up: Maxfisher,

I know gay people who hated Brokeback Mountain.

The fact is that many straight women loved it. Demographics studies show that to be the case. Straight women also took their boyfriends along. For them, it was the first time they had ever seen passionate male-male kissing, the second-sexiest scene of all time.


yeah i tot it was a great movie - emotionally powerful.