Has there ever been a normal mainstreamish movie with hardcore sex?

[toddly6666]

Has there ever been a normal mainstreamish movie with a normal story, yet with hardcore sex, without the film being god-awful or arty?

I can only think of the following movies:

1. Caligula - never saw it
2. Fritz the Cat - animated doesn't really count but it seemed more R-rated
3. Brown Bunny - this is not a movie, it's arty bullcrap
4. Baise Moi - amatuerish and too violent French Thelma and Louise.
5. Battle In Heaven - never saw it, but I hear it's god-awful arty bullcrap
6. 9 Songs - never saw it, but I hear it's god-awful arty bullcrap
7. Shortbus - It's not out yet, but I have a feeling it's going to be god-awful arty bullcrap

Then there are the porno movies that are big-budget mainstream wannabees such as Misty Beethoven: The Musical, Forbidden Tales, Space Nuts, and Pirates. Are any of these really more mainstream than porno? I hear that Pirates may be the winner. How does Pirates compare to those others?

[AnonomusBob15]

Never ever.

[Donald Brown]

Nagisa Oshima's In the Realm of the Senses, a very good film, but rather "arty" and intelligent, which means it isn't for you. Also, Patrice Chéreau's Intimacy, a lesser work, but also fairly "arty" and mildly challenging, so spare your puny little head from exploding and avoid this "bullcrap." Same goes for Lars Trier's The Idiots.

You could watch Star Wars for the 10,000th time and imagine the Jawas sodomizing R2D2. That should be safe enough for you.

[toddly6666]

DONALD BROWN,
I saw IDIOTS, which is my favorite Von Tier movie, but i don't remember any graphic hardcore sex in it...also, I don't know why you are taking this personally that the movies I listed above were all pretentious non-entertaining crap. I have nothing against arty films and I don't consider arty films as non-entertaining, but those particular above films were awful or heard that they were awful. I'm just curious why no one has made a typical hollywoodish film, but with hardcore sex....

[Mrs. Danger]

I guess you will just have to develop a taste for "god-awful arty bullcrap", and take a chance on movies you haven't seen, but just heard about.

[whoopdido]

Nagisa Oshima's In the Realm of the Senses, a very good film, but rather "arty" and intelligent, which means it isn't for you. Also, Patrice Chéreau's Intimacy, a lesser work, but also fairly "arty" and mildly challenging, so spare your puny little head from exploding and avoid this "bullcrap." Same goes for Lars Trier's The Idiots.

You could watch Star Wars for the 10,000th time and imagine the Jawas sodomizing R2D2. That should be safe enough for you.


Gotta love film snobs that simply can't grasp the concept that some people don't enjoy "arty" films. There's a reason films like those make $10,000 at the box office and Star Wars makes $400 million. The answer is that far more people enjoy those types of films. That doesn't make them right or wrong, but who are you to rip on a person for the types of films they like. I happen to enjoy popcorn movies, but I also enjoy "brainfood" type movies as well. I'll admit though that hollywood fare is much more my style. Does that mean I'm an idiot?

[shaun3000]

Well that and marketing. The guys who make art films generally can't come close to the multi-million dollar marketing campaigns even the shittiest "mainstream" movie has. I put mainstream in quotes as there isn't a difference between a "mainstream" movie and an "arthouse" movie, except one has better marketing. There are plenty of dumb, straight-foward "arty" movies and just as many "arty" mainstream movies.

[toddly6666]

I don't even mean mainstream...I mean a normal three act story movie done in a professional way, whether it be a hollywood style or indie style. But not in a Brown Bunny bad style.

More movies to add:

INTAMACY - I haven't seen this yet
KEN PARK - one of the worst movies I have ever seen. It was not even a movie, it was just a series of scenes spliced together.
THE PORNOGRAPHER (S?) - haven't seen it, but I hear there is a blowjob in it
BRIEF CROSSING - this Catherine Breillat movie is excellent, but I think it was only simulated sex, definitely both male and female nudity

[whoopdido]

Well that and marketing. The guys who make art films generally can't come close to the multi-million dollar marketing campaigns even the shittiest "mainstream" movie has. I put mainstream in quotes as there isn't a difference between a "mainstream" movie and an "arthouse" movie, except one has better marketing. There are plenty of dumb, straight-foward "arty" movies and just as many "arty" mainstream movies.


Very true. The Blair Witch Prjoect probably would have been considered an "arty" movie had it not made $100 million. Same for all the other low budget sleepers that became hollywood hits.

[AnonomusBob15]

KEN PARK - one of the worst movies I have ever seen. It was not even a movie, it was just a series of scenes spliced together.




Has this been released yet in the states? I wanted to see it for some time now.

[Donald Brown]

I saw IDIOTS, which is my favorite Von Tier movie, but i don't remember any graphic hardcore sex in it.

Then you saw a censored version, which is not surprising, since I don't think the film has ever been released in America in uncensored form. You can import the complete, graphic version from here (http://www.laserdisken.dk/html/visvare.dna?vare=11292452891030331&site=).

[Josh-da-man]

"Devil in the Flesh" had a real blowjob in it.

"Romance" also had a fair amount on non-simulated sex acts in it, though it would probably fall under someone's definition of "arty."

The fact is, any movie that includes explicit non-simulated sex acts is either going to be "arty" or "sleazy." There's really not a lot of middle ground available.

[joeblow69]

The Raspberry Reich has lots of hardcore gay and straight sex in it.

[xage]

It is always god-awful and arty when you watch Mainstream Films with Hardcore Sex Scenes. Thats why it has a "Hardcore Sex" scene for viewers to atleast escape the freaking boring story line...

[toddly6666]

I saw PIRATES - it wins hands down! The porn industry is closer to making normal movies with storyline, than Hollywood/Indie filmmakers making a normal movie with sex.

PIRATES is a great B-movie! They did it succesfully! I'm going to do a review of it later on in the regular DVD talk section (not adult DVD talk)



ANONOMUS BOB, I saw an imported version of KEN PARK. I don't know any US movie company stupid enough to distribute this film, even with Larry Clark's name...

[Alan Smithee]

Haven't seen Pirates, but heard they're gonna put out a cut version for the main-mainstream audiences.

[wergo]

Then you saw a censored version, which is not surprising, since I don't think the film has ever been released in America in uncensored form. You can import the complete, graphic version from here (http://www.laserdisken.dk/html/visvare.dna?vare=11292452891030331&site=).

We got the uncensored verion in theatres here in Ontario. (It's certainly graphic, but it's pretty far from erotic) I know there's a Canadian Alliance DVD release, but I haven't seen it. If it is the uncensored version, it'd be a lot cheaper (and region 1).

[Donald Brown]

I know there's a Canadian Alliance DVD release, but I haven't seen it. If it is the uncensored version, it'd be a lot cheaper (and region 1).

The Alliance disc is the censored version. The disc I linked to earlier is the only uncensored edition with English subs in the world.

[Mrs. Danger]

There was real sex in Bolero. Remember Bo Derek?

[cosmoN]

orgy scene in Caligula

[Nick Danger]

Wild Orchid.

[Nick Danger]

Has there ever been a normal mainstreamish movie with a normal story, yet with hardcore sex, without the film being god-awful or arty?


Apparently not. This showed up at the top of a Google search. It looks like you would consider every movie arty. http://www.freshmag.com.au/sexinthecinema.html

The site even discusses why: mainstream actors won't do a sex scene, so only the small productions will do one.

[jw2299]

I don't get the OP's logic. He wants a "hollywood" type mainstream movie something with a R rating, so to speak - but wants real sex in it? That's quite a contradiction.

[2plus2]

Pirates it’s just an ordinary porn movie with a bigger budget. The Punishment of Anne and Behind the Green Door are the only two porn movies that I like really good, but they are both some arty.
Misty Beethoven is hilarious, also a great movie, but not as good as the two above, but i guess it's a bit more mainstream. It's a comedy/parody though.

[jkcarter]

I haven't seen it but I was under the impression Battle in Heaven fell under this category.

[toddly6666]

JW2299, I never said R-rated....I just want to see a filmmaker do a movie in the style of a hollywood mainstream movie with hardcore sex, and not in an arty dreary way as in the majority of movies listed in the website that NICK DANGER posted . For example, let's take a good happy non-dreary mainstream movie (foreign as well) that are rated R with sex:
Amelie, one of the most cheerful satisfying happy movies, had a scene where she is having sex and there were other quick cut scenes of couples having sex. The movie would have still been good if they showed penetration in those quickly cut scenes - controversial, yes, but still a cheerful non-dreay happy mainstream movie.

[jw2299]

JW2299, I never said R-rated....I just want to see a filmmaker do a movie in the style of a hollywood mainstream movie with hardcore sex, and not in an arty dreary way as in the majority of movies listed in the website that NICK DANGER posted . For example, let's take a good happy non-dreary mainstream movie (foreign as well) that are rated R with sex:
Amelie, one of the most cheerful satisfying happy movies, had a scene where she is having sex and there were other quick cut scenes of couples having sex. The movie would have still been good if they showed penetration in those quickly cut scenes - controversial, yes, but still a cheerful non-dreay happy mainstream movie.

I know that you didn't actually say "R rated", but when you're getting at mainstream-released movies the most they're going to be is R rated, which will never, ever, ever have real sex in them. At least none that you can see. What I'm getting at, and what i think others are is that real sex on film is not mainstream, mostly likely never will be.

I agree with you though, actually seeing a bit of hardcore action in a "regular" movie would make many movies a lot cooler.

[wergo]

I agree with you though, actually seeing a bit of hardcore action in a "regular" movie would make many movies a lot cooler.

I doubt the actors' wives/husbands would be likely to agree. Their divorve attorneys might, though. Someone should probably write it up as a spec script for 'Boston Legal.'

[King Nest]

Caligula is a must see, tons of nudity and alot of HARDCORE SEX

[mike45]

I can see it. An married well known actress come home from a long shoot. She sits down with her actor husband and says: "Dear, tommorrow were doing the love scene with the male lead actor. The director says he wants to try something totally revoltionary. -pause- He wants us during the scene to really have sex, sex with full penetration, ejaculation, everything. What do you think dear. It's just an acting job. I'm a professional. I won't feel anything for him."

Potential Replys,

Do it dear and I'm calling lawyers.
Can I watch on the set?
Do they have a part for me in the movie?
How much money will the movie make for both of us?
Will you have a career left after you make the film?
I'm out of here.
Stangle her.

Any other replys?

[Venom]

jw2299 has summed it up.

your artsy clause will negate your search. maybe what you are really looking for is A list porn. i can't help you there.

if you want hollywood studio released movies with hardcore sex, good luck. let me know.


perhaps mainstream films with the rumor of real sex would be your best bet. not filmed hardcore, but rumored that the stars (usually in a relationship at the time of filming) did actually engage in some sort of sex. Don't Look Back could be one, a few more but i can't recall them.