The very hot Christian [Archive]

Houstondon

02-22-2007, 06:35 PM

Art,
no one has said that being gay is the cause of AIDS, nor have they claimed that having unprotected anal sex with a CLEAN person is going to get someone infected. Further, no one has claimed that women are immune from getting it or giving it to others. None of this was stated or implied no matter how many times you repeat it as though myself or others were championing it as fact (no one but you seem to believe this).
Also from the CDC website:
"The following are behaviors that increase your chances of getting HIV. If you answer yes to any of them, you should definitely get an HIV test. If you continue with any of these behaviors, you should be tested every year. Talk to a health care provider about an HIV testing schedule that is right for you.

* Have you injected drugs or steroids or shared equipment (such as needles, syringes, works) with others?
* Have you had unprotected vaginal, anal, or oral sex with men who have sex with men, multiple partners, or anonymous partners?
* Have you exchanged sex for drugs or money?
* Have you been diagnosed with or treated for hepatitis, tuberculosis (TB), or a sexually transmitted disease (STD), like syphilis?
* Have you had unprotected sex with someone who could answer yes to any of the above questions?"
and:
"Through 2004, of all cases of HIV infection in the United States reported to CDC, 34% were attributed to male-male sexual contact, 14% to injection-drug use, and 20% to heterosexual contact (1)."
"MSM continue to be the largest population living with HIV in the United States (1). For the majority of MSM, unsafe sex with male partners is the most likely route of transmission of HIV infection (5,14,15). The sexual behavior that carries the highest risk for HIV transmission between MSM is unprotected anal sex between an infected partner and a partner who is not infected (16--18)."
(and many more: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5506a1.htm?s_cid=ss5506a1_e)

"The term men who have sex with men (MSM) refers to all men who have sex with other men, regardless of how they identify themselves (gay, bisexual, or heterosexual). In the United States, HIV and AIDS have had a tremendous impact on MSM."
and
"MSM made up about two thirds of all men living with HIV in 2004, even though only about 5% to 7% of men in the United States reported having sex with other men."
and
"A study of more than 1 million female blood donors found no HIV-infected women whose only risk factor was sex with women."

So perhaps your "detector" is actually a wishing machine, one that ignores the facts. Mojo, thanks for the assist but I only wanted to point out that "6 months" is the timeline most frequently used for the possibility of infection by the AIM clinic (the one where most porn stars domestically get tested). They also use the cheapest test available, one that has issues IIRC, so false results are more common from what I understand (false negatives coming to mind). In any case, ANY performer displaying high risk behavior (outside of the obvious; working in porn) such as IV drug use or working with untested trannies/gays/bisexual men invites a disaster. Since the average career of a woman in porn is under 7 months (est by AVN and other industry sources) while men continue on for years, the net effect is that men are more likely to catch and transmit STD's (more partners=more chances to get infected).
Don "worked in healthcare for years, lives in Houston; a major AIDS capital in the USA"

NCMojo

02-22-2007, 06:36 PM

NC Mojo,

The lag period is the same for straights and bi women - it doesn't discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation. Get used to it.

Moreover, keep in mind how the CDC response is framed. It's after a "possible exposure". If you're clean and the person with whom you're having sex is clean, there is no "possible exposure". Again, the same applies to straights and bi women.
My response was to this claim:
Won't pick up an AIDS infection for 6 months? LOL. Now I think you might be inventing things. There is no such thing as "won't pick up an AIDS infection for 6 months".
I don't give a tinkerer's damn about your totally unsupported claims that AIDS transmittal is exactly the same for vaginal or anal sex. It's not true. At all. But it's also not the point I was making.

maxfisher

02-22-2007, 09:18 PM

Let me give you a word of advice. I'm an intelligent person and I have resources at my disposal. This includes a mind that can act like a Venus fly trap and an antenna that can detect bullcrap behind double-brick walls.

Someone with some photoshop skills really needs to create a visual represtation of this.

KDforever

02-22-2007, 09:47 PM

You may want to have someone come out and check your antenna. The self-detecting setting is on the fritz.

Get a room you two...in a non-gay straight sort of way, of course. ;)

The_Infidel

02-22-2007, 11:52 PM

Yeah, I'm the only one who debates with art. Thanks.

Bandoman

02-23-2007, 04:56 AM

art

02-23-2007, 03:22 PM

Houstondon,

Regarding male-female and male-male anal sex, there is no difference between the two in their capacity for VD transmission. In both cases, the capacity for disease transmission is zero provided both partners are clean. In both cases, the capacity for disease transmission is greater than zero if one of the partners isn't clean. Simple logical common sense. I don't think the CDC is inoculating male-female anal sex from disease transmission at all. You need to get over your CDC-fixation and use a bit of common sense garnered from your many years of contribution to the health-care system.

Keep in mind the bottom line: most gay and bi men out there in society are perfectly healthy and do not have venereal diseases. Get used to it.

KDforever

02-23-2007, 03:51 PM

Yeah, I'm the only one who debates with art. Thanks.

You are? I thought we all enjoyed the sport of "arting"? ;)

Houstondon

02-23-2007, 04:24 PM

Art,
once again you betray your agenda (admittedly, nothing new but pointing it out is important). Obviously, sex between two CLEAN partners is not going to generate an STD. No one has suggested otherwise but the part you don't seem to grasp is that no one is beating up on the gay/bi/tranny sex you want to see more of, just as no one is beating on on your beloved Christian. That some of us have pointed out the facts to refute your many illogical, unsupported conclusions is par for the course here at DVD Talk.

Further, belittling the CDC reveals your own biases yet again; the same type of biases that ultimately led to the deaths of tens of thousands of males back in the 80's and early 90's needlessly at the emerging disease we typically call AIDS (some still prefer the term GRIPS in the Houston community; perhaps as a way to remember lost loves). If you'd prefer, there are numerous other public health agencies here and abroad that can provide markedly similar (and replicatable) results in their own studies that I can start quoting should you have some issue with the CDC but their conclusions are much the same.

As far as percentages of healthy adults in specific groups are concerned, it's long been my understanding that "most" adults in the USA are not infected with AIDS/HIV. Certain groups ARE, however, much more likely as a percentage to have the disease. This is an undisputable fact, not subject to our personal whims or desire for fairness from the universe. The reasoning may vary in each subset and it's not unfair to point out that statistics are subject to interpretation, but if a given group is FAR more likely to be at risk, acting accordingly should not be subject to political correctness.

My understanding of the Christian situation, and I'm referring to a very specific instance instead of his entire career in MSM projects, was regarding his performing with trannies that were untested. His defense was that they used condoms, as though that removed any cause for alarm, reminding me of all those pregnancies that "couldn't happen" because a rubber was used. If he's this casual about unsafe practices on public forums, is it that big a stretch to think he might be engaging in even more dangerous practices in private?

If one of the gonzo, flavor of the month, women starts bragging about currently sharing needles with hemophiliacs, I'll fuss about her too (I'm an equal opportunity type of guy no matter how much you try to paint me into a corner) but I'm not going to ignore openly dangerous behaviors simply on the speculation that in private, other performers may do things that are unsafe as well. Feel free to "out" such behaviors (with proof, not eighth hand information gleaming from a source with an axe to grind) as you will but it still won't alter the facts as stated.

In an ideal world, you could do whatever you wanted with any other consenting adult and not fear the consequences but that world will never exist. I'll toss you a freebie though and say that your preferred form of sexual conduct is not known for resulting in pregnancies; an unwanted consequence many straight people fear if that makes you feel better. ;)

art

02-23-2007, 05:44 PM

Houstondon,

Saying "some groups are much more likely as a percentage to have the disease" is just simply inane gibberish. It has no relevance at all to the individual. When individuals want to work in straight porn, they should be judged on their merits and their health status, not which group they belong to.

I think you're betraying your lack of clear thinking skills, don.

soggypie

02-23-2007, 06:05 PM

art,

youve been pwned
just shut up already

Houstondon

02-23-2007, 06:47 PM

"Saying "some groups are much more likely as a percentage to have the disease" is just simply inane gibberish. It has no relevance at all to the individual. When individuals want to work in straight porn, they should be judged on their merits and their health status, not which group they belong to."

Individuals should, in part at least, be judged on their willingness to show good judgement in how they act. In porn, part of that judgement is in working only with tested individuals, especially individuals in particularly high risk groups. Christian worked with untested trannies, elevating the potential threat level he posed on the rest of the industry. Whatever his tests tell us, they are still subject to the aforementioned time delays with regard to those untested folks he worked with. Considering that all it takes is one exposure to the dreaded disease and you're out of work (for the most part), exercising caution seems prudent for those considering working with him. For all your attempts to make this a "gay bashing" thread, I've pointed out that poor choices by any in the industry subject them to the same risks and will be treated the same regardless of gender or sexual identity. Sorry if your magic "detector" is still out of commission as much as your defunct logic analysis circuit but that's how it is.

Finch03

02-23-2007, 08:13 PM

this thread is great. As long as art doesn't put up any pics of the "sexually versatile" guy.

The_Infidel

02-23-2007, 11:50 PM

You are? I thought we all enjoyed the sport of "arting"? ;)
I was being facecious.

CaptainMarvel

02-24-2007, 12:13 AM

art,

youve been pwned
just shut up already

Seriously.

He either
1) doesn't recognize he's getting trounced

or

2) recognizes he's getting trounced, but is trolling.

Considering the source, I'm going with 2.

big whoppa

02-24-2007, 04:02 AM

art

02-24-2007, 03:44 PM

Houstondon,

Utter crap. Christian has had tons of tests over many, many months and he's always been clean. Each test verifies the validity of previous tests and negates the notion that something might not have been detected during any window period. You might want to go and extend your fear-based "logic" to all the straight guys and bi women who do porn and who have sex with untested individuals both on the set and in their private lives.

I think your problem is that you don't like the idea of bi men encroaching into your territory. Get used to it, buddy.

Houstondon

02-24-2007, 04:24 PM

Art: "Christian has had tons of tests over many, many months and he's always been clean."

And yet he chooses to work with untested trannies in a foreign country?!? I know that your reputation for being oblivious and agenda driven are known on a number of forums but the fact remains that such behaviors are what led to the last two outbreaks of AIDS in the domestic porn industry (which otherwise has a pretty solid record compared to "your" community). My "fear-based" logic already accounts for other performers that engage in danerous behavior, proving my consistency (as opposed to your lack of it). As already stated, few (if any) others have untested sex "on the set", none that are currently employed in the domestic industry (by industry accounts) which is the reason Christian has been raked over the coals. Your projection that so many others have untested sex in their private lives has yet to be proven but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for any facts from you since your record is so weak in that area.

Get over it already: a certain percentage of people aren't willing to work with performers that engage in "much higher risk than average for porn" behaviors. I've written enough favorable things about Christian (outside of his poor judgement) that your repeated and ill advised claims that I have a stake in his behavior or take issue with his homosexual/bisexual status are laughable.

He can test negative a thousand times but if he's going to continue to work with untested trannies or other gay men, he's playing Russian Roulette. Eventually, the odds will catch up to him just like they did for Darren James, John Stagliano, Mark Goldberg, and others. I can understand your hero worship for him (since he has a penis and your tastes run that way) but encouraging him to continue endangering the community at large for no reason (he gets enough legit work that doing untested crap is ridiculous) labels you as a supporter for deadly conduct.

The tests don't protect someone from catching AIDS, nor do they provide an immediate positive result when someone may have and spread the disease. If you care so little for Christian and all those he works with (including other men mind you since you're on record as having contempt for the women), at least have the balls to admit it rather than pretend to be his cheerleader. BTW, should he stop engaging in such behaviors, I won't fuss at him about them (he'll still be a higher risk statistically but at least the risk will be lowered to within more acceptable standards). I don't care how many times he, Peter North, Julian, or plenty of others smoked a meat pole but others might. -screwy-

KDforever

02-24-2007, 04:36 PM

I was being facecious.

:lol: I miss having you around, Jim.

The_Infidel

02-24-2007, 04:39 PM

Christian has had tons of tests over many, many months and he's always been clean.
How the hell would you know this? Are you his personal physician, or did you just read it somewhere? If a source you consider reputable prints that Christian is really a three-toed sloth wearing a man costume, are you going to believe that, too?

joeblow69

02-24-2007, 05:16 PM

3 pages and no pics of this guy? I've never heard of him.

Is this the Christian who suddenly wanted to crossover into 'sexual versatile' porn?

http://news.softpedia.com/images/news2/Christian-Bale-High-Jackman-Battle-in-The-Prestige-2.jpg
Nope, I think this is the guy, here as Maxx Diesel:
http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/twisty_love/6e86a705.jpg

Mrs. Danger

02-24-2007, 05:51 PM

Art, I disagree.

Both days always said thoughtfullness could hear the doctor. Wrote showed teeth, started fast.

Preoccupation puzzles a judge past street lights, sympathy again bothers the neighborhood. Problems tangle evening thin gravely drug. Filled reconnaisance met crackling gravel, and morning begging roar machine news flat.

You must accept that.

art

02-24-2007, 06:40 PM

Houstondon,

I would say most performers in straight porn today have sex with untested individuals outside of the porn set. Your problem is that you are singling out one individual, an individual whom you possibly dislike because of the fact he is a male who has worked with both sexes and isn't afraid to say it. Unlike female bisexuality, which you consider kosher, male bisexuals are apparently something to be hidden and kept out of the straight porn biz. Well, think again, Charlie.

The best insurance any porn performer can take is to have a test and to insist that their on-set partners have taken a test. And not just one test, but ongoing tests that provide a longitudinal profile of an individual's health status over many, many months and years. Ongoing tests confirm the validity of previous tests and cover window periods. Simple, ain't it?

art

02-24-2007, 06:44 PM

Joe blow,

I wouldn't be surprised if that picture of the handsome Christian has houstondon writhing...whether in agony or ecstasy.

NCMojo

02-24-2007, 07:03 PM

Joe blow,

I wouldn't be surprised if that picture of the handsome Christian has houstondon writhing...whether in agony or ecstasy.
Of course it would! After all, he's a heterosexual man... which means that he's gay.

ben12

02-24-2007, 07:14 PM

I think it's funny that art confuses "bigotry against homosexuals and bisexuals" with "I wouldn't buy a porno with gay guys in it because I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO JERK OFF SUCCESSFULLY IF THERE WAS ANY CHANCE OF SEEING A PENIS IN SOME DUDE'S BUTT DURING THE MOVIE!"

costanza

02-25-2007, 12:53 AM

Rockmjd23

02-25-2007, 01:10 AM

http://boards.vanityfair.com/message.jspa?messageID=21003#21003
Vanity Fair is homophobic, part 2

If there'a any gay or bisexual man who thinks Vanity Fair is gay-friendly, think again. For starters, it has a selelctively homophobic aesthetic, avoiding visual depictions of men on its cover that might be construed as "gay". However, it has no problems depicting women on the cover in a lurid way that appeals to straight guys and homosexual women. There's a huge double standard operating at Vanity Fair that reeks of hypocritical liberalism.

Apparently art is also "smith" :lol:

big whoppa

02-25-2007, 01:53 AM

Joe blow,

I wouldn't be surprised if that picture of the handsome Christian has houstondon writhing...whether in agony or ecstasy.

:lol: Aren't they the same?

This porn star is OK. No denying he has the assets for the job.

achau9598

02-25-2007, 05:51 AM

Art,

Why are you so unwilling to accept that the content of adult video is driven by one thing - the marketplace. If there was such a high demand for "straight" porn with bisexual men in it, then you would see the market flooded with such product.

However, the majority of adult videos are purchased by hetero men. And what the market has shown is that the majority of hetero men want to see multiple women (it goes back to the "every man's fantasy" ascpect.

Now, I have a question for you ... why are there no straight women in gay male porn? For that matter, why no straight men in lesbian porn? Surely the gay community is heterophobic, since the reverse is true in your eyes.

Houstondon

02-25-2007, 07:36 AM

"I would say most performers in straight porn today have sex with untested individuals outside of the porn set."

Cite? At least I have established credentials as having talked, emailed, and spoken to many in the industry (read the reviews and the articles) about stuff like this. Some have long term, monogamous partners (outside of work), others only date inside the industry, still others get all the sex they can handle at work. Most that I've spoken with left me with the impression that their partners are tested; tested comprehensively too, not just the industry standard of HIV.

"Your problem is that you are singling out one individual, an individual whom you possibly dislike because of the fact he is a male who has worked with both sexes and isn't afraid to say it. Unlike female bisexuality, which you consider kosher, male bisexuals are apparently something to be hidden and kept out of the straight porn biz. Well, think again, Charlie."

While I admit to having plenty of "problems", this is not one of them. I don't "dislike" Christian, he's an okay meat puppet that almost rates second tier status as a performer (he's been moving up), but I'll admit that some of his behaviors are openly dangerous to the industry and I'm not afraid to say so. Adults often learn that it is okay to criticize specific behaviors and not hate someone or make them the villain for it. If I disliked him or thought he weakened scenes, I'd say so in my reviews yet that hasn't been the case.

"The best insurance any porn performer can take is to have a test and to insist that their on-set partners have taken a test."

See?!? All those people who believe you are as dumb as a stump and unwilling to learn, now have a single example where you're proven you CAN figure things out (at least partially). In the case of Christian, he let his insurance policy lapse by working with untested trannies in England. That was the sole point of contention by yours truly in regards to the guy, although a number in the industry aren't convinced it was a one time thing. Oh, since it seems pertinent, I seem to recall you whining about Vivid in the past; if I recall correctly, Vivid and Digital Playground are the two most common employers of the guy these days (he's supposedly on the "don't call" list at some companies and the "only if someone flakes" list at others since he comes in on short notice).

"I wouldn't be surprised if that picture of the handsome Christian has houstondon writhing...whether in agony or ecstasy."

I see him plenty in his movies so if he was going to trip my trigger, he'd have done so by now. Most men in straight porn are like the frame on a picture (to mangle a common metaphor); there only to provide the lady a meat stick to work with. Kimberly Kane liked working with him in Chemistry (http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=26700) and Kinzie Kenner had some fun with him in My First Porn 7 (http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=24141); where I myself called him one of the most versatile men in porn so it's not like I'm leading a lynch mob trying to drive him out of porn but it takes two (or more) people to make a good scene so your mileage may vary with him, depending on who he's working with.

Costanza: "are you even reading his posts or do you have the canned answers ready whenever he replies?"

I don't think anyone but himself will ever suggest that he reads or puts thought into what he responds to but it's still fun laughing at his childish temper tantrums and rants when taking a break (it's not like anyone takes him seriously; here or on other forums he pollutes). :wave:

art

02-25-2007, 04:22 PM

Sonicflood

02-25-2007, 04:46 PM

Art are you remotely related to Danol?

You truly are the captain of a bizarre journey!

http://i18.tinypic.com/icia6e.gif

Brain Stew

02-25-2007, 04:51 PM

Jesus art,

It's almost like we offended someone that you admire in a completely sexual manner.

Sonicflood

02-25-2007, 04:55 PM

Upon searching Tinypic.com with the search phrase Art yields the following photo:

http://i19.tinypic.com/40fet1f.jpg

Coincidence?

soggypie

02-25-2007, 05:01 PM

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=26450&___rd=2

To people:

If you click on the above address, you will find an interesting review by someone called "Don Houston" of a movie called "Rough Draft". In this review, you will find barely disguised contempt in a paragraph in which said reviewer is describing Christian's hot scene with a woman. Apparently, said reviewer had a bout of spluttering during the typing of the review, hence the insertion of a "cough" in one of the sentences. Mr Donald Houston, either you're betraying your pneumonia or your bad manners - which one is it?

I think it says it all about your ignorance.

P.S. For those who can't be bothered reading through the whole script, it's under the heading "scene 2".

Here's a quote: ".....screwed after that, with her tearing into the cock as she bounced on him (Christian XXX) with a sense of abandon, and him showing why he's so popular with all sorts of people (cough)."

Ok so let me get this straight.
Now you've gone from trying to start and debate a valid issue,to attacking someone who has proven the point you were tryin to make null.
Why is it that when a logical answer for the question you ask rubs you the wrong way,you resort to name-calling?
houstondon has done nothing but refute whatever arguments you've tried to pass off as 'the only answer.'
i think you should drop the schoolyard name-calling bullshit and concede that you don't really know what you're talking about.

art

02-25-2007, 05:57 PM

soggypie,

On the contrary. I have rebutted houstondon by pointing out the selective nature of his arguments. Houstondon has basically little to go on except a fear-based argument that is targeted to people who belong to a group. Facts such as clean, ongoing test results for individuals don't seem to resonate with him as much as they should.

As for the cited movie review by Don Houston, I'll file it under "gotcha".

achau9598

02-25-2007, 05:58 PM

Here's a quote: ".....screwed after that, with her tearing into the cock as she bounced on him (Christian XXX) with a sense of abandon, and him showing why he's so popular with all sorts of people (cough)."

Sorry, Art, but you are way off-base again. I take the "cough" to be in regards to the "all sorts of people" meaning of differing sexual persuasions. I didn't take that review, or the comment itself, to be anything targeting the actor in the scene. I think you're reading too much into it.

bwvanh114

02-25-2007, 06:23 PM

No Art. As usual, you lost.

Houstondon

02-25-2007, 06:25 PM

Art: "I think it says it all about your ignorance."

Well, are you stating that Christian is UNPOPULAR with "all sorts of people"? You labeled him as a "megastar" so my comments, while not entirely glowing, still reflected a positive spin on his performing ability. I'm pretty sure that if I changed the wording to call him "champion of gays like Art everywhere", I'd be fielding a call in the morning from Mr. Levine who'd be begging me to remove it. For the record, the "(cough)" was less a case of contempt than a nod to his versatility you seem to admire so much (thanks for promoting my review though, it was a pretty fair movie) by showing he could even make a gal that many consider a lipstick lesbian get off (the TRUE mark of versatility being how well he can perform with women given his extensive history pitching and receiving for Art's home team). :rolleyes:

Brain, Soggy, Sonic: All good points but by all means let him continue. I know it's like beating up the class idiot but he always leaves me in stitches. I'm seriously thinking he might have been Bagdad Bob, the information minister of Iraq under Saddam, given his spin tactics and inability to stick on topic. Perhaps I should give Mr. Hay (Christian's agent) a call and set up an interview too, just to set the record straight (sorry if that word offends you Art) ... :)

Houstondon

02-25-2007, 06:51 PM

"I have rebutted houstondon by pointing out the selective nature of his arguments."

Gee, you must have edited all the rebuttals from the posts since I still can't find any (certainly any that actually make a valid point I disagreed with).

"Houstondon has basically little to go on except a fear-based argument that is targeted to people who belong to a group. Facts such as clean, ongoing test results for individuals don't seem to resonate with him as much as they should."

No, I have your own comments about testing being "the best insurance" supporting my arguments that Christian's work with untested trannies represents a lapse in his insurance policy. If he's done it openly once, who's to say it isn't a pattern? Anyone working with him probably should be mindful of his recent past and practices regarding untested work partners (again, as alleged by those in the industry). His tirade with industry attorney Michael Fattorosi, the XPT threads where people caught him "forgetting" the truth about his work, Luke's coverage, and even Tara (a webmaster of considerable talent) ran an article about his denials about working both sides of the fence:
http://www.sexyguysonly.com/2006/07/maxx-diesel-returns-to-gay-porn.php
So, shall we continue or are you going to continue championing a guy so desperately clinging to the closet door? He's an okay performer but not the poster boy for your cause I'm afraid.
Keep up the "rebuttals" (cough). -popcorn-

bwvanh114

02-25-2007, 07:41 PM

Art, you still lost.

art

02-26-2007, 07:52 AM

soggypie

02-26-2007, 08:10 AM

I don't give a donkey's derriere about Tara whoever the f she is. She can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. Same for Michael Fattorosi. The bottom line is that bisexual male performers should be allowed to work in straight porn so long as they abide by the rules of testing. These same rules should apply to everyone regardless of sexual orientation. Again, it comes down to the individual. You want to demonize the individual on the basis of the group he belongs to. Therefore, you have about as much credibility as right-wing homophobes like Pat Robertson.

And let me also give you one piece of advice. Through my contacts, I have established a network of observers who will be pursuing the straight porn industry at every angle for any signs of selective homophobia regarding employment practises. California has a comprehensive piece of legislation outlawing discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

The bottom line, Art, is that once again,you've been given more rebuttals to your statements,and once again,you ignore them and go on ranting.
Testing isn't a surefire way to guarantee that someone is clean of anything.
And liek so many of us are saying,if the market (read:consumer,Read: average joes that buy porn) wanted bi or gay men in the mainstream porn they watch,it would've been there by now.And why are you so upset that they aren't?Sites like this (http://www.directvideoanddvd.com/gaystore.asp) have their own gay store.And I've seen bi porn too,if thats your thing.
Also it's not too hard to go on easygals.com or some other free gallery site to get your daily barebacking dose.Your screaming and yelling about bi or gay performers not being in one outlet of porn,when there are in alot of others.

art

02-26-2007, 08:18 AM

soggypie,

There's plenty of barebacking in straight porn. You know, I'd say at least 3/4 of straight porn is bareback. Gee, and I thought barebacking was one of the ways that HIV was spread. Oh, I forgot. It's a straight guy's penis entering a female's intestine. Therefore, of course, there's no chance of catching anything. It's a blessed act of heterosexual barebacking, immune to all and sundry.

As for testing, it's the best insurance there is. And it applies to everyone. The need for a test shouldn't be predicated on what sexual group in society you belong to. I also think it should be mandatory for all, simple as that.

soggypie

02-26-2007, 08:29 AM

edit:

gay barebacking

And like you just said-its only insurance.
Not a guarantee.Why would other performers/directors/studios take a chance than,knowing that most people don't want bi or gay in their straight porn.

bwvanh114

02-26-2007, 08:36 AM

Eh, looks like Art still lost.

Ravyn

02-26-2007, 09:02 AM

yup looks like it.. does anyone notice that in all these threads he has been chasing his tail throughout the whole thing. One does wonder when the madness will end..

Houstondon

02-26-2007, 09:30 AM

Cool! I was wondering when I could get my morning dose of slapping Art around and we it is...

Art: "The bottom line is that bisexual male performers should be allowed to work in straight porn so long as they abide by the rules of testing. These same rules should apply to everyone regardless of sexual orientation."

I agree (don't worry, I'm not trying to throw you off guard just yet), however, the reports were that Christian either worked with an untested tranny or the tranny's testing was non-compliant (these days, any documents can be forged on a low end PC; requiring specific labs to be used for verification). By your own (repeated) argument, the rules should also apply to gay/bi performers. Given the cited examples of gay/bi men routinely working in straight porn, are you now claiming that they are being excluded all of a sudden?

Art: "You want to demonize the individual on the basis of the group he belongs to. Therefore, you have about as much credibility as right-wing homophobes like Pat Robertson."

While I have proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that you do not read what you are responding to, I strongly suggest you try something new and go back to read what was written (you'll see no edits on MY posts in the thread) rather than what you'd like me to have written. I'm no gay basher (my reviewer pals Poindexter, Ravyn, and Alex would crucify me if that were the case) and just because I would hold your beloved Christian to the same standard as other performers, you shouldn't bash me for it. As far as credibility is concerned, I'm pretty sure we've established the night and day difference between ourselves in this thread. (Don bows to the crowd)

Art: "Through my contacts, I have established a network of observers who will be pursuing the straight porn industry at every angle for any signs of selective homophobia regarding employment practises. California has a comprehensive piece of legislation outlawing discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation."

Ah yes, another wannabe net-lawyer with a comprehensive knowledge of the law (sarcasm intended). You might want to actually look up the laws in question and see where your logic fails again; even if a company declined to hire a performer. I'm not going to spend an hour+ writing a brief for someone unwilling to read it but suffice it to say that whatever little group of malcontents you hang with, their impact on those in the industry will be laughed at even by the nice folks at Falcon and other gay production houses. (talk about an inflated ego in a gay advocate...)

Art: "There's plenty of barebacking in straight porn. You know, I'd say at least 3/4 of straight porn is bareback. Gee, and I thought barebacking was one of the ways that HIV was spread. Oh, I forgot. It's a straight guy's penis entering a female's intestine. Therefore, of course, there's no chance of catching anything. It's a blessed act of heterosexual barebacking, immune to all and sundry."

You can keep your strawman argument and use it with your gerbil collection. No one said straight couple sex couldn't result in HIV/AIDS, even if the transmission rate is significantly higher in certain communities (like yours). For the record, only one large straight porn company is condom mandatory now; Wicked Pictures. (Vivid dropped the idea last year, losing director Chi Chi LaRue in the process, as a result of consumer demand.) Unlike a great many reviewers/porn lovers, I have no problem with condoms and would like to see them used more but I'm not holding my breath for it to happen and if CA revises it's health code to require it, watch the industry continue its move out of the state (larger numbers of scenes are shot overseas and in other states already).

Art: "As for testing, it's the best insurance there is. And it applies to everyone. The need for a test shouldn't be predicated on what sexual group in society you belong to. I also think it should be mandatory for all, simple as that."

Yet according to you, Christian's professional tranny partners are somehow exempt from testing. Why is this exactly? Again, industry testing IS mandatory in the USA which is why some men are not used as much as they could be, thanks to their personal and professional practices involving working with untested trannies in foreign countries (typically Brazil, another AIDS-heavy country, though not always). While some performers will always (pardon the pun) slip through the cracks, it is not a common practice (and more than a couple directors have been fired/let go for lax paperwork in recent years).

Well, back to reviewing some more. Keep trying Art, eventually you may be like the proverbial broken clock (not your current broken record status) and be right twice a day (though you've already cheated us in that regard for far too many days in this thread). -ptth-

soggypie

02-26-2007, 09:35 AM

I love it!
But,yet again,he will respond,and we'll get sucked back into the whirlpool that is Art.

bwvanh114

02-26-2007, 02:01 PM

Thanks for the post Houstondon, Art is still losing.

art

02-26-2007, 03:24 PM

Ravyn

02-26-2007, 03:59 PM

Seems to me Art loves the merry-go-round he is on.. again he is showing how he has no real knowledge of what is going on in the adult industry . Im just wondering if by chance Art has had any sexual relations with Christian being that he seem to be Christian's personal cheerleader. And as for Don being a gay basher.. Art you have the wrong person.
Art needs to go back and play in the sandbox where he belongs..playtime is over over move on Art

Frankenlola

02-26-2007, 04:07 PM

Houstondon,

When you go back to reviewing, make sure you restrain your uncontrollable fits of coughing whenever you come across a scene containing Christian. It's most unseemly.

As for the rest of your gibberish, it's self-justifying. You need to do more than that if you're going to convince me of the credibility of your argument.

You still have not addressed the fact that in every one of your posts, you pass off opinion as fact. Why have you yet to cite a source for any of your crazy half-assed theories?

In fact, the only link you have posted was to a Houston Don review, where he give a favorable review of your man crush!

bwvanh114

02-26-2007, 04:38 PM

With each post, I have more and more proof that Art is losing.

KDforever

02-26-2007, 05:05 PM

Question: Does anyone, any guy or gal, straight or gay or bi, does anyone here wish to see more male on male action in "straight" porn? I'm thinking no. Art, please take your troll threads and go find somewhere else to post. May I suggest www.iamreallygaybutcannotadmitit.com?

Houstondon

02-26-2007, 05:14 PM

Art: "As for the rest of your gibberish, it's self-justifying. You need to do more than that if you're going to convince me of the credibility of your argument."

Further proof that Art doesn't read the threads he responds to (even when they leave him enough of an opening to truly say something of value; I was in a generous mood). Beside, I don't have to convince of you of anything. You made claims that I beat down like a red headed, unwanted Art child and you're upset because the more you post, the dumber you come across (reaching truly Stygian depths by this point in time).

But feel free to post my reviews all over the internet telling your buddies what a hater I am, preferably with links to this thread as well. If they have an ounce of intelligence, they'll see for themselves what you are and drop you like a bloody gerbil. :)

joeblow69

02-26-2007, 06:02 PM

Question: Does anyone, any guy or gal, straight or gay or bi, does anyone here wish to see more male on male action in "straight" porn?
Well, actually, I would. But that's only because I'd like to see more male on male action in ALL movies. I want to be so bombarded with male on male action, that I can't even turn on the TV without seeing some hot, sweaty, hairy guys buryin the bone. :D

art

02-27-2007, 03:55 AM

Don Houston,

You stand exposed as someone who needs to insert a cough when describing a scene containing Christian. I believe you have compromised yourself in the process..

Bandoman

02-27-2007, 05:23 AM

Don Houston,

You stand exposed as someone who needs to insert a cough when describing a scene containing Christian. I believe you have compromised yourself in the process..

You've used that line 4 times now. If that's the best you've got, you might as well give up.

bwvanh114

02-27-2007, 05:30 AM

Bandoman, this is undeniable proof that Art lost.

Frankenlola

02-27-2007, 05:59 AM

Don Houston,

You stand exposed as someone who needs to insert a cough when describing a scene containing Christian. I believe you have compromised yourself in the process..

Yeah, great point!
(cough)Homo(cough)

Houstondon

02-27-2007, 06:48 AM

Time for the morning smackdown I see...

Art: "You stand exposed as someone who needs to insert a cough when describing a scene containing Christian. I believe you have compromised yourself in the process."

That's an interesting conclusion since I've reviewed dozens of his movies without the offensive "cough", given him the nod as an up & coming (couldn't resist) male talent, and generally been even handed in my comments rather than push an agenda like yourself. In short, if that's the most exposure you can provide, the others are right and it's time for you to go back to some of the other website forums you've spent time on getting smacked around (but if looking like an idiot is your primary goal, I'm not going to ask for you to be banned). BTW, good to see you hanging around Joe!

art

02-27-2007, 07:12 AM

I will never resile from what I've said. That's because what I've said is based on observations and qualified by consideration. I observed your cynical little insertion in your review and cited it in the context of the cynicism that some straight porn sleazeballs like to impose upon Christian.

You should go and impose your selective analytical microscope on the untold number of females working in straight porn who do escort work while they're not on the set. Who are these women having sex with? Are these women's partners HIV-tested? Do these women practise safe sex with the use of condoms? This is something that might interest you before you go and pick an easy target like Christian.

I've constructed a coherent argument based on the importance of one simple standard that applies to everyone working in straight porn - i.e. a testing protocol that extends for many months or years and provides a profile for that performer. You might not like it but the simple fact is that bisexual males are often extremely clean and healthy - not to mention stunningly good-looking.

Houstondon

02-27-2007, 09:04 AM

Cool! Two morning smackdowns for the price of one...

Art: "I will never resile from what I've said. That's because what I've said is based on observations and qualified by consideration. I observed your cynical little insertion in your review and cited it in the context of the cynicism that some straight porn sleazeballs like to impose upon Christian."

I pointed out he's popular among all sorts of people, adding the cough in for emphasis in regards to his well rounded sexual nature that you admire so much. You can call it cynical or evidence of some dastardly, convoluted plot to discredit the guy (which doesn't hold up due to my many positive comments about him) but that doesn't mean anyone is going to simply take your agenda dripping word for it.

Art: "You should go and impose your selective analytical microscope on the untold number of females working in straight porn who do escort work while they're not on the set. Who are these women having sex with? Are these women's partners HIV-tested? Do these women practise safe sex with the use of condoms? This is something that might interest you before you go and pick an easy target like Christian."

First off, simply because some scam artist escort service buys a few performer photographs and slaps them on a card suggesting you really can "buy time" with Jenna Jameson, Tera Patrick, or any number of other ladies for $59 doesn't make it so. You have made the repeated, unsubstantiated claim that unnamed performers escort and want me to take arms against them. Well, aside from the fact that Christian is specifically alleged to take part in escorting, I'd prefer to keep my specific "impositions" and negative commentary to reasonably asserted facts (in marked contrast to your own posts). Further, I am aware that some former performers have worked for Dennis Hof at his brothel (all tested and requiring the use of condoms but none seem to be mingling with the porn performing population either) and former performer Anita Cannibel(sp?) works at the Chicken Ranch (met her at the show this year though I didn't ask what she worked for since that's against the rules) but she also doesn't work in the industry. In short, if you want me to fuss about "straight performers" that act as irresponsibly as Christian supposedly does, provide something more than generic comments for me to go on. Even Belladonna required a tested tranny to wear a condom and she's about as gay friendly a performer you'll find. Besides, Christian is only an "easy target" because he made himself one.

"I've constructed a coherent argument based on the importance of one simple standard that applies to everyone working in straight porn..."

Not yet you haven't. When faced with the claim that Christian works/ed with untested trannies, your first, second, third, and every response to date has been to try and redirect the attention elsewhere. Sorry but the auditions for the magic act are in the next building. If I put a single bullet in a gun, spin the chamber, and pull the trigger three times without it going off; does that mean it's okay? The danger of working with groups that have a statistically proven higher risk than the rest of the pool are obvious. If a performer openly uses IV drugs and shares needles (perhaps HD porn will further prevent this from happening), works on untested shoots (like in England, for example), escorts with untested partners, or engages in other unsafe acts, they should refrain from working in the industry. A LOT of people would extend that sentiment to ultra-high risk groups such as your own and that is their personal choice that I'm not going to fuss about (any more than I fuss at Jana Cova for only doing solo and lesbian scenes, Penny Flame for refusing to do anal scenes, etc.).

By your own admission, you would try and FORCE people to accept your lifestyle choice and bully them by any means possible (thankfully, your legal knowledge seems aboout as extensive as your knowledge on other topics, woefully inadequate or nonexistent). That alone gives me the moral high ground. Christian is well regarded by a number of performers and not on the short list for others (for various reasons); if he continually engages in dangerous practices and another outbreak takes place that gets tied to him, I doubt he'll fare as well as others have in the past.

bwvanh114

02-27-2007, 01:00 PM

Art, I don't understand your gibberish, you are losing.

art

02-27-2007, 02:43 PM

Houstondon,

What on earth is my "lifestyle choice"? If, by "lifestyle choice", you mean sexual orientation, then that's evidence that you can't even get your definitions correct. Homosexuality, bisexuality and heterosexuality are sexual orientations, not "lifestyle choices".

If you seriously think that women in the biz aren't doing escort work or haven't done escort work prior to entering the biz, then you are hugely misguided. Escort work and the straight porn industry are inextricably linked. Not to mention drug addiction and other sordid personal addictions.

You will simply have to get used to the fact that most gay and bi men are clean and healthy. Grates, doesn't it?

Frankenlola

02-27-2007, 03:03 PM

What on earth is my "lifestyle choice"? If, by "lifestyle choice", you mean sexual orientation, then that's evidence that you can't even get your definitions correct. Homosexuality, bisexuality and heterosexuality are sexual orientations, not "lifestyle choices".

That is just splitting hairs, and you know it.

If you seriously think that women in the biz aren't doing escort work or haven't done escort work prior to entering the biz, then you are hugely misguided. Escort work and the straight porn industry are inextricably linked. Not too mention drug addiction and other sordid personal addictions.

Wow!! Do you read what you post? This is analogous to saying "Homosexuals are more likely to contract AIDs."

Broad stroked statements like that are apparently OK in your "Art world" that has no basis on facts, and no source for the information. Yet when somebody else post something, you jump in their shit claiming discrimination and homophobia.

Here is something for you to look up: hypocrisy!

Houstondon

02-27-2007, 03:09 PM

Art: "What on earth is my "lifestyle choice"? If, by "lifestyle choice", you mean sexual orientation, then that's evidence that you can't even get your definitions correct. Homosexuality, bisexuality and heterosexuality are sexual orientations, not "lifestyle choices"."

Simply put, your orientation is how your mind is wired and your lifestyle choice is how you act upon the decisions laid before you. While that game of semantics may work for your boyfriends, it won't work here. Thanks for trying such a feeble response though. I say it again, you thought that threatening to use California law to force companies to use gay/bi/whatever performers might work yet you once again did not do your due diligence regarding researching the actual law. Working in a foreign country with trannies that are not tested or testing compliant is a LIFESTYLE CHOICE, not a SEXUAL ORIENTATION.

"If you seriously think that women in the biz aren't doing escort work or haven't done escort work prior to entering the biz, then you are hugely misguided. Escort work and the straight porn industry are inextricably linked. Not too mention drug addiction and other sordid personal addictions."

All I asked for were specific examples since you were going on what amounted to a crusade to protect Christian's right to do as he pleased regardless of the dangers it potentially served on the community at large. You wanted me to take up arms against all these escorts yet were unable to produce at least one example (and again, I gave you the first one according to linked industry insiders; you just didn't like that it was Christian). Again, you claim to want equal standards but when faced with the facts, you continually try to point the finger in a different direction. It may have worked when you trolled elsewhere but not this time. I state again that the statistics show certain LIFESTYLE CHOICES (call them behaviors, orientations, or anything else you like) are more dangerous than others. People are free to pick which choices they want and others are free to act in their own best interests in regards to those people and their CHOICES. :)

"You will simply have to get used to the fact that most gay and bi men are clean and healthy."

I've never suggested otherwise. All I've done is point out that a small subset of the population, performers in the adult entertainment industry, who are already facing extensively greater risks due to their employment, are free to minimize other risks in order to accomodate their own level of occupational safety. You've suggested everything from this being illegal (it is not), to immoral (again, you were wrong), and a round about case of gay bashing (yet another silly assertion). Further, since "most gay and bi men" are not actively working in the adult entertainment industry at this writing, the leap in logic is one that only you could make with a (pun intended) straight face.

art

02-27-2007, 04:01 PM

Of course certain lifestyle choices are more dangerous than others. For instance, I would say that injecting oneself with drugs is more dangerous than going for a walk in the park, a practise that some female performers in porn are known to practise.

Your problem is that you have been selective in how you apply your standards, picking an easy target in the form of Christian. And you continue to express your disdain despite said performer being clean and having a clean track record. Do you honestly think a big company like Vivid would employ him if he wasn't?

You've been routed so many times, you must be a glutton for punishment.

Frankenlola

02-27-2007, 04:56 PM

soggypie

02-27-2007, 06:12 PM

Houstondon

02-27-2007, 07:06 PM

Art: "Of course certain lifestyle choices are more dangerous than others. For instance, I would say that injecting oneself with drugs is more dangerous than going for a walk in the park, a practise that some female performers in porn are known to practise."

Technically, the danger isn't the drugs (with regard to catching AIDS), it's sharing the needle with other drug users that introduces the higher risk factors. You've claimed several times that some females in porn have done this and escorting yet you haven't any names?!? By all means, provide something to discuss for once. :)

"Your problem is that you have been selective in how you apply your standards, picking an easy target in the form of Christian. And you continue to express your disdain despite said performer being clean and having a clean track record. Do you honestly think a big company like Vivid would employ him if he wasn't?"

I'm selective with a lot of things in my life. I select bargains over paying full retail price, I select attractive women to lust after over guys that engage in unsafe sexual practices with trannies, I select to shine a light on your rants as being agenda driven whine fests over yelling and screaming which new high definition format is superior in the HD forum. I could go on and on about my selectivity. In Christian's case, you brought him forth as a "megastar" solely because you thought he was the cross over poster boy with magical qualities. I pointed out that while he's an okay performer (6 or 7 years of reviewing porn tends to give me a lot to base this description on), he has reportedly engaged in particularly dangerous activities that cause some people and companies to select other male talent. As a Vivid basher yourself, you seem to have seen the light at their quality now that you've been shown the fact that they hire Christian a lot more than most (second only to D.P. IIRC), although they don't hire him as Maxx Diesel (they also used to hire Jeff Stryker too). My only distain for him is in how he openly engages in particularly dangerous sex acts, initially denying them until a few people proved he was lying. If he stops engaging in said practices, I'll give him a cheer myself.

"You've been routed so many times, you must be a glutton for punishment."

Obviously there must be another definition for the word "routed" since you've managed to dig yourself into the root cellar by losing every single point discussed. Heck, an 8 year old child could do better than that (by the way, don't go looking for one of those to help bolster your failed arguments). As far as being a glutton for punishment, given your inability to comprehend the written language, your unwillingness to read it, and your complete slavery to your agenda, you may have a point about myself and others being gluttons for punishment. On the other hand, you've done such a lousy job discussing and defending the topic that it has been as much fun working the speed bag. Do you still want me to do that interview with your hero?

Saxofonix

02-27-2007, 08:23 PM

Art's threads have become ever decreasing in their entertainment value.

I wish he'd find another drum to beat.

The_Infidel

02-28-2007, 12:05 AM

You've been routed so many times, you must be a glutton for punishment.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/The_Infidel/blackknight.jpg

art

02-28-2007, 06:17 AM

Houstondon

02-28-2007, 07:31 AM

Gee, Art must be running out of steam... Oh well, onto the morning chuckle.

Art: "By all means be selective in your personal preferences, sexual and otherwise."

Gee, thanks. I think this is where you've repeatedly lost the crowd in the past, sparky. You get personally offended that most people want to watch males work with females in "straight" porn; carrying on about it as though they are closed minded, evil, or otherwise rotten people. You then carry on about companies for not hiring bi/gay men even though they DO, even companies you have attacked for "vanilla porn". Is it any wonder that you're the poster child for slapping around?

"But don't you dare come on here and be selective in an arena that demands the exercising of intellect and a fair and balanced approach. Christian is an easy target for you and your ilk."

Ah yes, another dodge of the questions presented. Unable to come up with specific examples to bolster your failed side step, you resort to the name calling routine as though it might work. As stated, Christian is only an easy target because he makes himself one. If he wanted to be a MSM freedom fighter as you seem to have portrayed him, he'd be especially careful in how he practices his profession. Apparently, he does not; no matter how much you want him to. Besides, if this is "an arena that demands the exercising of intellect and a fair and balanced approach", what are you doing here since you have expressed none of those qualities in the past?

Bandoman

02-28-2007, 09:11 AM

Wow. This is such a one-sided discussion that I'm almost starting to feel sorry for art.

Almost.

ben12

02-28-2007, 10:10 AM

Ok, art's convinced me. I now want to see guys blowing other guys in ALL the porno I watch!!!!

Houstondon

02-28-2007, 10:51 AM

More news on the Art/Christian front:
http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=26801

bwvanh114

02-28-2007, 01:34 PM

I can't believe how badly Art is losing. I think another poster is right... Art is Baghdad Bob.

art

02-28-2007, 02:30 PM

I pride myself on being fact-driven and observation-based. It must stick in your craw that I have a simple and effective argument unlike your convoluted pile of trill.

Frankenlola

02-28-2007, 02:39 PM

I pride myself on being fact-driven and observation-based. It must stick in your craw that I have a simple and effective argument unlike your convoluted pile of trill.

Why have you not yet posted a source for any of your facts?

I think you are opinion based and not factual in any stretch of the imagination.

soggypie

02-28-2007, 02:49 PM

By all means be selective in your personal preferences, sexual and otherwise. But don't you dare come on here and be selective in an arena that demands the exercising of intellect and a fair and balanced approach. Christian is an easy target for you and your ilk.

I don't think you own this forum, Art, and as far as I remeber, the Bills of Rights protects free speech.Houston can be as selective as he damn well pleases,and you can't tell him any different.Discussing gay porn isn't an 'arena of intellect and fair approaches.'(BTW,thanks for that-im gonna use it for my sig.)
The only reason Christian is an easy target,is because Houston is right.He practices question sex acts outside of the industry work he does.I guess this debate is over.

crazyronin

02-28-2007, 04:30 PM

I pride myself on being fact-driven and observation-based. It must stick in your craw that I have a simple and effective argument unlike your convoluted pile of trill.

Do you have dictionary facts to support this statement?

Brain Stew

02-28-2007, 05:02 PM

Art,

What exactly do you want to achieve? Get straight men to jerk off to naked guys? Or male-male sex?

bwvanh114

02-28-2007, 05:31 PM

Totally predictable. When he is getting slammed left and right he posts how his "facts" support him. It's sad to see someone (Art) losing so badly yet can't admit it.

Houstondon

02-28-2007, 05:41 PM

Art: "I pride myself on being fact-driven and observation-based. It must stick in your craw that I have a simple and effective argument unlike your convoluted pile of trill."

Well, I guess there's a reason why they said "pride goeth before fall". You haven't provided any facts yet, have been practically chauffeured around by a few of us as we provide superior rebuttals, and your observations again remind me of Baghdad Bob. If you plainly stated your case and left well enough alone, you could have at least been able to comment that you had your say and others disagreed with you. Instead, as always at that, you thought you had the ability to defend an undefendable position.

It would have been easier for you to simply say that modern performers in porn lead risky lives on and off the camera, that they should work with whomever they want to, and that you like the way Christian/Jeff/MSM performer of the week handles his scenes. At least that way, you wouldn't have looked like such a tool. Note that no one is defending questionable industry/personal practices but you (yours being done so selectively) and you've been slapped around on other forums too from what I've seen.

Otherwise, the day you provide a "simple and effective argument" that actually makes sense, will be long awaited since you haven't done so to date, nor do any of us expect you to do so soon. Good luck though; I hear they're casting the roles for The Ringer 2 and you've proven yourself to be more than qualified. :p

art

03-01-2007, 05:56 AM

Bandoman

03-01-2007, 06:42 AM

I just hope that more bisexual males enter the straight industry and can work both sides of the fence simultaneously. I would be more than happy for them to go straight from a male to a female and then back again. It will really stick in your craw.

It seems important to you that this "stick in [our] craw." Why? It looks to me that you're more interested in shoving your preferences down the throats of everyone who has expressed a distaste for it than you are in promoting the equality you profess you espouse.

bwvanh114

03-01-2007, 08:01 AM

Bandoman, Art makes these claims when he gets trounced, as usual.

ben12

03-01-2007, 08:13 AM

It seems important to you that this "stick in [our] craw." Why? It looks to me that you're more interested in shoving your preferences down the throats of everyone who has expressed a distaste for it than you are in promoting the equality you profess you espouse.Craw means "butt." He wants to "shove [his] preferences down [our] throats."

It seems very clear to me what he wants - for all of us to be BISEXUAL!!!

Ravyn

03-01-2007, 10:58 AM

Sorry but having a prefence literally shoved down my throat by a man that can not admit to what Christian is doing is very dangerous sound like the rantings of a madman..

art

03-02-2007, 07:42 AM

Ben12,

LOL. This from an industry that wants to turn women bisexual. LOL.

Let it be known that there are several bisexual men working in straight porn. And let that stick in your craw.

The Bus

03-02-2007, 08:24 AM

You know, light string cheese tastes much like regular string cheese. Try it, it's very good.

bwvanh114

03-02-2007, 08:55 AM

It must stick your craw, Bus, knowing that some people like cubed cheese. I have the facts on my side.

Bandoman

03-02-2007, 09:02 AM

I don't give a tiddler's wink about your cubed cheese biases, your double standard is showing. There are plenty of people eating both cubed and string cheese, and you're just going to have to get used to it.

bwvanh114

03-02-2007, 09:27 AM

KDforever

03-02-2007, 09:36 AM

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6936/tellmewhenitsoverbi3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

shadowself

03-02-2007, 10:45 AM

."

He can test negative a thousand times but if he's going to continue to work with untested trannies or other gay men, he's playing Russian Roulette. Eventually, the odds will catch up to him just like they did for Darren James, John Stagliano, Mark Goldberg, and others. I can understand your hero worship for him (since he has a penis and your tastes run that way) but encouraging him to continue endangering the community at large for no reason (he gets enough legit work that doing untested crap is ridiculous) labels you as a supporter for deadly conduct.

Just finished reading this thread and it is equally offensive and funny. Although I have to ask don, you've said several times that this fellow has worked with "untested trannies" in a foreign country. Well I'm just wondering where these "facts" come from? Is this industry tittle-tattle or do you have first hand accounts of his behaviour? I only ask as it seems this argument stems from your assertion that he has been performing with untested trannies in a foreign country. I agree completely that this would indeed make him a higher risk, if you can prove this is true. Claiming that someone is dangerous and libelling them without credible evidence is, I'm sure you'll agree, irresponsible. I'm also sure the proof you provide won't be along the lines of "I heard..." or "She/he told me..." etc., as it's no secret that the Adult Industry is rife with bitchiness and rumour.

Thanks in advance.

Mrs. Danger

03-02-2007, 11:20 AM

So, art, do the lurkers support you in e-mail?

Ravyn

03-02-2007, 01:07 PM

Shadow:
Alot has been said in other forums about it and Don does have the correction info via his connections in and out of the adult industry. I have never seen so much said about Christian/Max Diesel ever. Just in a google search alone there is mention of him working in tranny porn..

Mao

03-02-2007, 02:14 PM

But, seriously...who is this Christian character? -confused-

art

03-02-2007, 02:23 PM

Houstondon can go and wallow in his ignorance as far as I'm concerned. All I've heard from him thus far is a fear-based speculative argument that doesn't hold water. Moreover, he appears to be selective in the way he applies his standards, focusing on Christian, an easy target.

I noticed that Houstondon hasn't posted for a bit. Maybe he's still reelinig from the tornado that hit him.

Bandoman

03-02-2007, 02:40 PM

Good Lord, you're delusional.

Ravyn

03-02-2007, 06:41 PM

Mao:
Christian is a meat puppet that has done gay,straight as well as trannyporn . He isnt the most good looking man out there nor does he have the passion and drive other men in the industry do. As I said before Art must be one of his cheerleaders carrying on as such. Now if you are going to be naming hot looking men in straight porn the list isnt very long . The only ones I would ever consider naming and that because I am a woman and a reviewer would be as follows:

1-Jean Val Jean
2- Niko
3- Tommy Gunn
4- Derrick Pierce ( before going with the bald look)
5- Brad Baldwin (newcomer)

As for the women mind you this is just my humble opinion..
1-Eva Angelina
2-Jana Cova
3-Tyler Faith
4- Nikki Benz
5-Savita Rose

Like Bandoman said.. "Good Lord, you're delusional."

Houstondon

03-02-2007, 06:48 PM

Okay, there's finally enough to comment on again:

Art: "All I've heard from him thus far is a fear-based speculative argument that doesn't hold water. Moreover, he appears to be selective in the way he applies his standards, focusing on Christian, an easy target. I noticed that Houstondon hasn't posted for a bit. Maybe he's still reelinig from the tornado that hit him."

You haven't been reading (as proven numerous times before) or you'd practically have an aquarium to hold that water you refer to. Further, my selective nature was brought out when it was clear that Christian was openly engaging in dangerous practices. If that offends your sensibilities, perhaps your sensibilities need realignment.

Shadow: "Just finished reading this thread and it is equally offensive and funny. Although I have to ask don, you've said several times that this fellow has worked with "untested trannies" in a foreign country. Well I'm just wondering where these "facts" come from? Is this industry tittle-tattle or do you have first hand accounts of his behaviour? I only ask as it seems this argument stems from your assertion that he has been performing with untested trannies in a foreign country. I agree completely that this would indeed make him a higher risk, if you can prove this is true. Claiming that someone is dangerous and libelling them without credible evidence is, I'm sure you'll agree, irresponsible. I'm also sure the proof you provide won't be along the lines of "I heard..." or "She/he told me..." etc., as it's no secret that the Adult Industry is rife with bitchiness and rumour."

Considering the country in question is your own, I have no doubt that you take offense. As far as the credibility of my sources and the qualifiers I've provided in regards to my comments, suffice it to say that I provided enough information for ANYONE (including yourself and Art) to go research it for yourselves. The fact is that Christian himself likes to engage in debate about the topics on several websites, providing enough insight into his behavior and denials that later prove to be quite amusing when he's caught. That said, blaming the more public of sources as being full of "bitchiness and rumour" and demanding firsthand knowledge (unlike Art, I'm not going to blow the performer in question to erase all possible doubt of his actions) is an interesting approach since this only comes up when someone disagrees with what is being said. You say can the same about everything in the newspapers and other media accounts as well as most of what is discussed online so singling out one portion of my arguments and not holding the other guy (Art) equally responsible for what he said...smacks of you being selective (sorry, I couldn't resist).

I stand by my personal assertions in the thread though that certain dangers are significantly more dangerous, that Christian (by his own admission) has engaged in them, and that some of the most reliable of industry sources have debated with him over them after he was routinely caught spinning what took place. As the lovely Ravyn said, the google search is your friend so go ahead and spend a couple of minutes checking iit out for yourself. :)

Ravyn

03-02-2007, 06:57 PM

Oh before Art goes and openly states that I am Bi for naming beautiful women, I am not.. beauty is everywhere and these women are very beautiful and sexy. I base my opinion on a few movies I have reveiwed with them.

shadowself

03-02-2007, 07:35 PM

Considering the country in question is your own, I have no doubt that you take offense. As far as the credibility of my sources and the qualifiers I've provided in regards to my comments, suffice it to say that I provided enough information for ANYONE (including yourself and Art) to go research it for yourselves. The fact is that Christian himself likes to engage in debate about the topics on several websites, providing enough insight into his behavior and denials that later prove to be quite amusing when he's caught. That said, blaming the more public of sources as being full of "bitchiness and rumour" and demanding firsthand knowledge (unlike Art, I'm not going to blow the performer in question to erase all possible doubt of his actions) is an interesting approach since this only comes up when someone disagrees with what is being said. You say can the same about everything in the newspapers and other media accounts as well as most of what is discussed online so singling out one portion of my arguments and not holding the other guy (Art) equally responsible for what he said...smacks of you being selective (sorry, I couldn't resist).

Well, thank you for your reply, don. Yes, the same can be said for all second hand reports/rumours but I thought it would be useful for you to acknowledge this. And I can assure you that my home country being involved is the least thing that offends me in this thread. Like I stated, the ONLY reason I have asked YOU a question is that in your original post you casually stated that this guy was involved in dangerous practices and then when challenged virtually said 'well the information is out there go find it yourself'. As far as I can see the burden of proof is on the accuser and to be told 'google it' is not a very strong case for credibility. I suppose if I'm honest I was offended by your arrogance* and not your claims.

*Sorry couldn't resist.;)

Ravyn

03-02-2007, 08:36 PM

here is a post from xxxporntalk.com which I googled and found many more threads all over the place about Christian:
http://www.xxxporntalk.com//ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=shitlist&Number=207842&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

Christians latest bareback tranny video
#207842 - 01/22/07 07:29 PM Attachment (94 downloads) Edit Reply Quote

So Im new here and was reading how Christian said he wasnt doing shemale videos anymore and focusing on his mainstream work but I just seen his latest BAREBACK tranny video of him, congrats!!

Congrats you made the cover too dude!
http://dragscene.com/recent.html

Also as a gay male and loving my drag and shemale friends I seen your latest work while you was in London ,WOOF WOOF on some of those so called transeys. So I guess your trip to London wasnt all vacation you managed to get in some transey and gay male escorting too!
http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=13532&highlight=orgy

Finally you other latest release this year was pretty good too
http://www.shemale-video-direct.com/miva/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SVD&Product_Code=SMYBWE&Category_Code=

this is just the very beginning of the thread..

Sonicflood

03-02-2007, 08:39 PM

I've learned the following about Art:

He enjoys using the words intestine and craw.

He is desperate to keep this trolling going on as it makes him feel like he's actually important and that we may agree with him if he says the same thing over and over.

His reading comprehension skills are basically non existent as evidenced in his posts & replies.

Art, your posts are a joke! Whatever your agenda, your credibility or lack thereof, keep you from garnering any support in your beliefs.

KDforever

03-02-2007, 09:02 PM

ben12

03-02-2007, 09:04 PM

Ben12,

LOL. This from an industry that wants to turn women bisexual. LOL.

Let it be known that there are several bisexual men working in straight porn. And let that stick in your craw.They want to turn women bisexual BECAUSE GUYS WANT TO JERK OFF TO LESBIANS!!! Guys DO want to jerk off to lesbians. Guys do NOT want to jerk off to gay guys. What don't you understand about that?

art

03-02-2007, 09:26 PM

Houstondon

03-03-2007, 06:38 AM

Shadow, in deference to Christian himself, I allowed for the possibility that the stated reports mentioned previously in the thread (some of which were linked to, which was why I wasn't going to start rehashing old territory) might be erroneous. I have consistently held that his own responses to various industry commentary support the basic conclusions made. Despite Art's attempt to let MSM performers have their cake and eat it too (while attacking anonymous "straight" performers as engaging in all sorts of dangerous conduct) simply because of his agenda supporting their right to do as they please while forcing others to work with them, I think balancing the initial slavering fanboy posts with an alternative look is fair game; my original reply being found at http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showpost.php?p=7658854&postcount=6.

Otherwise, the ongoing debate between Christian and Mike (the industry attorney mentioned previously in the thread, who, before Art starts attacking his character, also represents the tranny star of the year, Buck) provides enough supporting data from BOTH of them to accept 95% of what I've stated here as fact. The ONLY fact that I have yet to confirm 100% from my own sources (which aren't bad for a jaded old porn reviewer of thousands of titles over the years) is whether the trannies he worked with in England on the shoot were either 1) completely untested as reported or 2) had non-AIM compliant testing that could not be verified (which Christian fluffed off as saying it was okay since they used condoms, as if that made such behavior perfectly safe). Whichever of the two scenarios happens to be the verifiable proof, they both amount to serious breaches of testing protocol that increase the risks of his industry partners. Also, his MSM escorting is common knowledge and it is not standard practice to require tests of your "johns" whether they be gay, bi, or trannies; making his off camera work even more dangerous. I'm encouraging Ravyn to interview Christian (after she gets the scoup from Kurt "I attack journalists" Lockwood) but she has a lot of irons in the fire so it might take awhile. Still, I appreciate someone with a modicum of intelligence picking up the ball left wayyyyyyyyyyy back in the thread that "Mr. Illiterate" didn't seem to notice. :toast:

Art: "...straight guys have sleazy double standards..."

Well, a lot of women seem to think so too (about ALL men at that). You say it like it's a bad thing (or like the rest of you are standard bearers for having a single standard). :shrug:

ben12

03-03-2007, 06:47 AM

Ben12,

So what's your point? You've just reiterated the notion that straight guys have sleazy double standards. They think female homosexuality is OK but not male homosexuality. They are entitled to their homosexual preference but it bears no intellectual or moral weight.

Anyway, this thread is about the very hot Christian, and I don't really want it to go deeper into previously covered territory.
It's not a moral double standard. It's penis and brain physiology of the straight human male. While we may find no moral problem with homosexual men and be all in favor of them getting equal rights and fair treatment in society, the thought of them having sex is pretty gross. Thus, we don't want to jerk off to it. For some reason lesbians have the opposite effect. Since straight pornography is a business, they must make videos that cater to what straight men want to jerk off to. The pornography industry must respond to demand THAT'S ALREADY THERE. They can't CREATE demand. Putting gay guys into straight porn won't make straight guys start eNJOYING jerking off to them. All it'll do is not sell porn, which is obviously bad for business.

Bandoman

03-03-2007, 10:46 AM

ben, you're wasting your breath. Logic and reason are compeltely lost on art.

MovieExchange

03-03-2007, 11:18 AM

He is desperate to keep this trolling going on

Key word = trolling.

Which of course leads to the question - why do the forum moderators allow Art's repeated violation of DVDTalk rules?

My conclusion is that Art is a sockpuppet of one of the moderators, or one of their close friends. It's the only explanation as to why Art has not been suspended / banned.

soggypie

03-03-2007, 11:25 AM

art

03-04-2007, 06:01 AM

Houstondon,

You still appear to refuse to accept the fact that Christian tests regularly and is clean. You are like a dog returning to its vomit, hostage to your prejudices and inability to discern fact from speculation.

And you still can't even concede that many of the straight biz's bisexual women and straight guys have sex with untested people off-camera. Wake up, dude. It's a fact. Your relative silence on these people is a testament to your selectivity and lack of credibility regarding Christian. Your selective slip is showing, houstondon.

art

03-04-2007, 06:07 AM

Houstondon

03-04-2007, 06:56 AM

Ahhh, another day of exposing the hypocrisy of Art. Life is good...

Art: "You still appear to refuse to accept the fact that Christian tests regularly and is clean."

Really?!? Show me one place on this thread, a review of mine, or anything else I've written where I said that Christian didn't test regularly and I'll concede the point. Don't spend much time looking since it will be a waste of time though.

Art: "You are like a dog..."

Again, you say that like it's a bad thing. Most people acknowledge that men are like dogs (though I'd suggest you are more like a sickly pink flamingo).

Art: "And you still can't even concede that many of the straight biz's bisexual women and straight guys have sex with untested people off-camera. Wake up, dude. It's a fact. Your relative silence on these people is a testament to your selectivity and lack of credibility regarding Christian."

Well, it must be pretty tough for you to prove since you have yet to offer any names. I'll concede the point when you provide reasonably reliable, verifiable information about specific performers. I'm not denying the possibility, only suggesting that since you made the claim without qualifiers, it's up to you to prove it. Further, you seem upset that certain groups and sex acts pose a significantly greater risk of infection (primarily because they are associated with MSM sex) for AIDS. That doesn't mean other groups are without risk, just that they are proven to be far less likely to contract the disease. As such, it is only fair that the performers being offered work with those in higher risk categories should be compensated better or offered the right to refuse (in the military, soldiers are provided combat pay for certain assignments; in a number of other jobs, compensation is adjusted according to risk factors too so why not porn?). It's about worker rights to me.

Art: "This thread is about employing bi males in "straight" porn to perform acts with women. I'm all for it. They should be treated no differently from anyone else. The same standards should apply to everyone."

The thread is about Christian (read the first post and the title). If you wanted to discuss various industry practices in a general context, you should have started another thread. Personally, while you're all for bi/gay men working with women, I'm all for choice. Some ladies really like working with Christian and I support their choice 100%. Others do not want to work with the guy and I support their choice 100%. In that sense, Christian is treated exactly like everyone else; many female performers have "lists" of men they will or won't work with (for whatever reasons they choose). Previously in this thread, you acted like you had some secret network of fellow nutcases that wanted to prevent freedom of choice and while no one believed you (given your past tantrums and complete lack of credibility), it's still important for someone to stand up to the crazies from time to time.

achau9598

03-04-2007, 07:42 AM

Ben12,

You're talking about another point. This thread is about employing bi males in "straight" porn to perform acts with women. I'm all for it. They should be treated no differently from anyone else. The same standards should apply to everyone.

But, Art, when watching a video - a person would have no way to determine the actor's or actress's sexual orientation. If you put a bi male with a female, then it is just a MF situation - if he (or she) was straight, bi, or gay, it really wouldn't matter as the viewer would have no way to know. Orientation only comes into play if you add a 3rd (or more) to the mix, or when you have 2 of the same sex peforming on each other.

art

03-04-2007, 02:48 PM

Face it - straight porn has been exposed as one of the most selectively homophobic genres in the world. Not only does it completely ban even the slightest male-male erotic interaction, it also has a degree of suspicion in relation to bisexual men performing opposite-sex acts in its movies. Straight porn is about the sleazy straight guy fantasy and the associated bisexualization of women for the purpose of pleasing sleazy straight guys. You can't escape it, the world is waking up to it.

I personally hope the gay community wakes up to it and combines with the conservative movement to bring in new legislation against the straight porn industry.

Houstondon

03-04-2007, 02:57 PM

Two Art smackdowns in a single day...yay!

Art: "Face it - straight porn has been exposed as one of the most selectively homophobic genres in the world."

Not at all. Consumers have a wealth of titles to choose from in any genre they like. You, for example, can pick up scores of gay and bisexual titles catering to your very specific needs while the straight population not interested in it can buy other titles catering to their needs.

Art: "Not only does it completely ban even the slightest male-male erotic interaction, it also has a degree of suspicion in relation to bisexual men performing opposite-sex acts in its movies."

I strongly suggest you check out any of the movies containing double penetrations as evidence to refute the lack of male/male interaction. Two cocks touching each other should be enough to put you in Heaven given all you've posted in the past.

Art: "Straight porn is about the sleazy straight guy fantasy and the associated bisexualization of women for the purpose of pleasing sleazy straight guys."

Yay! He finally gets it! We knew he was slow but that was a long time coming...

Art: "I personally hope the gay community wakes up to it and combines with the conservative movement to bring in new legislation against the the straight porn industry."

Yeah, like that won't come back and haunt them later... -ohbfrank-
I'll believe in the validity of that alliance as soon as the GOP endorses a Log Cabin Republican on the presidential ticket.

bwvanh114

03-04-2007, 03:31 PM

Anyone else notice Art doesn't have a point?

CaptainMarvel

03-04-2007, 06:04 PM

I personally hope the gay community wakes up to it and combines with the conservative movement to bring in new legislation against the straight porn industry.

:rofl:

Are you serious?

I don't know which is funnier... the idea of conservative groups and gay groups cozying up, or the idea that they'd just go after the staight porn industry, rather than the porn industry in general.

Bandoman

03-04-2007, 06:40 PM

You can't escape it, the world is waking up to it.

:lol: art says this, or something like it, every time he's losing an argument, as if he can conjure up some mythical supermajority who allegedly supports him. Where are the dictionary facts, art?

KDforever

03-04-2007, 07:18 PM

:lol: art says this, or something like it, every time he's losing an argument, as if he can conjure up some mythical supermajority who allegedly supports him. Where are the dictionary facts, art?

I feel left out. I want an art sig, too, but there are so many to pick from. A little help here?

NCMojo

03-04-2007, 07:26 PM

Key word = trolling.

Which of course leads to the question - why do the forum moderators allow Art's repeated violation of DVDTalk rules?

My conclusion is that Art is a sockpuppet of one of the moderators, or one of their close friends. It's the only explanation as to why Art has not been suspended / banned.
I think there is the (false) belief that, even though art is certainly a troll, he is nonetheless an amusing troll, and thus brings value to this forum.

I'd point out to any mod or admin that reviews this thread that art has clearly crossed the line from single-minded obstinacy to insulting lambastings. On behalf of the "sleazy straight guys" that make up the vast majority of this forum's membership... we've just about exhausted our interest in art's mindless diatribes. It's time for him to go.

Brain Stew

03-04-2007, 09:13 PM

http://static.flickr.com/53/109234964_6cd29397ea.jpg

EWWWW GROSS!

art

03-05-2007, 08:25 AM

They look like attention whores put up to it by a sleazy straight guy.

art

03-05-2007, 08:30 AM

cidmo

03-05-2007, 11:00 AM

Art: "And you still can't even concede that many of the straight biz's bisexual women and straight guys have sex with untested people off-camera. Wake up, dude. It's a fact. Your relative silence on these people is a testament to your selectivity and lack of credibility regarding Christian."

Houstondon: Well, it must be pretty tough for you to prove since you have yet to offer any names. I'll concede the point when you provide reasonably reliable, verifiable information about specific performers. I'm not denying the possibility, only suggesting that since you made the claim without qualifiers, it's up to you to prove it.

I in no way, shape or form want to help art. However, through Exotica 2000 in NYC (http://www.lukeisback.com/essays/essays/exotica2000.htm), scores of porno stars were available to anyone at any time they wanted ...

Devon, Adajja, Alexandra Quinn, Alexis Malone, Aliyah Yi, Allison Kilgore [who says she no longer escorts], Alllysin Chaynes, Amber Peach, Angela D'Angelo, Anita Dark, Anna Malle, Annie Andersin, Aspen Stevens, Austin O'Riley, Ava Devine, Ava Vincent, Bianca Trump, Bionca Seven, Blake Mitchell, Bridgette Monroe, Brittany Andrews, Brooke Hunter, Carolyn Monroe, Catalina, Chasey Lain, Cherie, Chloe, Chloe Black, Cytherea, Dayton, Dru Berrymore, Elizabeth X, Jennifer Steele, Jodie Moore, J.R. Carrington, Julie Meadows, Kasorn Swan, Kate Frost, Kayla Marie, Kendra Jade, LA LaMann, Lauren Haze, Layla Jade, Lezley Zen, Lisa Sparxxx, Lita Chase, Lola, Lucy Lee, Mason Storm, Melissa Hill, Melissa Wolf, Mia Smiles, Midori, Mike Lee, Nick Manning, Nicole Moore, Nikita Denise, Nina Hartley, Ona Zee, Phylisha Anne, PJ Sparxxx, Raquel Devine, Rebecca Bardoux, Rebecca Love, Regan Star, Renee LaRue, Roxanne Hall, Ryan Conner, Sabrine Maui, Samantha Strong, Shay Sights, Shyla Stylez, Solveig, Sophia Ferrari, Staci Thorn, Summer Storm, Tabitha Stevens, Teri Weigel, Tiffany Mynx, Tracey Adams, Tyler Faith, Wendy-Maya Divine.

At least one of these women must have done a bi-sexual act on camera, and then went running to Manhattan to charge thousands of dollars per hour to screw random men. And I know for a fact that these escort services don't demand a legit HIV-test in-hand when walking through their door.

soggypie

03-05-2007, 11:50 AM

I feel left out. I want an art sig, too, but there are so many to pick from. A little help here?

feel free to use the ones i have if you want

Bandoman

03-05-2007, 12:01 PM

They look like attention whores put up to it by a sleazy straight guy.

I know. Isn't it great?

bwvanh114

03-05-2007, 01:05 PM

Bandoman, you're a lawyer and versed in lawyer speak / technical English, etc. Am I understanding this correctly? That Art is calling someone <i>else</i> an attention whore?

Bandoman

03-05-2007, 01:35 PM

Bandoman, you're a lawyer and versed in lawyer speak / technical English, etc. Am I understanding this correctly? That Art is calling someone <i>else</i> an attention whore?

Yes, that appears to be a reasonable interpretation of his post. Ironic, isn't it?

KDforever

03-05-2007, 01:52 PM

feel free to use the ones i have if you want

awww, thanks! That's very sweet of you.

crazyronin

03-05-2007, 03:56 PM

http://static.flickr.com/53/109234964_6cd29397ea.jpg

Awwwww YEAH!

I know. Isn't it great?

Awwwww YEAH!

They look like attention whores put up to it by a sleazy straight guy.

http://www.pacersdigest.com/images/smilies/potkettle.gif
rotfl

funstan

03-05-2007, 08:26 PM

Don't underestimate the disdain and disappointment in sections of the gay and bi male community at how they've been let down by the sexual liberation movement and its associated branches such as the porn industry. There is absolute fury that has been bubbling under the surface for some time and that is now erupting into what may be the most effective alliance ever against the porn industry: a combination of conservative and gay. Andrea Dworkin will seem like a Sunday school picnic in comparison. You won't forestall it unless you change the whole philosophy behind straight porn.

I can just here the CNN 2008 election coverage now.

Barack Obama lost Dade County in the November election. How is that Dade County is 70% Democrat.

Well lets look at the exit polls among evangelical Christians and the straight porn industry Senator Obama only carried 19% of the vote. But the gay porn industry came out in packs (he-he) and gave the Senator 98% of their support. But it was not enough this evening, as Dade County and the state of Florida goes to John McCain.

This just in, a guy named Art is demanding a recount!

Houstondon

03-05-2007, 09:29 PM

Cidmo: "At least one of these women must have done a bi-sexual act on camera, and then went running to Manhattan to charge thousands of dollars per hour to screw random men. And I know for a fact that these escort services don't demand a legit HIV-test in-hand when walking through their door."

I'm on friendly terms with Luke and have been for some time but even he admits that his...uh, quality control in the area of fact checking is somewhat strained (diplomacy prevents me from saying much more). That was why I stated it clearly that "reasonably reliable, verifiable information" was needed as well as my comment about "currently working in the industry" before that. Still, I'll defer to your personal expertise (if you've screwed one of them for money, that's for you to know since you "know for a fact") and chastize any of them that worked with trannies, gay or bisexual men without a test as a function of consistency in this thread. To be fair, Art was the one that raised the point (as though two wrongs would make a right) and that's why I left it for him to support with facts. ;)

Art: "Don't underestimate the disdain and disappointment in sections of the gay and bi male community at how they've been let down by the sexual liberation movement and its associated branches such as the porn industry. There is absolute fury that has been bubbling under the surface for some time and that is now erupting into what may be the most effective alliance ever against the porn industry: a combination of conservative and gay. Andrea Dworkin will seem like a Sunday school picnic in comparison. You won't forestall it unless you change the whole philosophy behind straight porn."

Wow! I'm starting to think Art is channeling Hunter Thompson on a bad day given the weirdness of that little bit. Otherwise, since outcome of the NYC raids in 1968, MSM types have enjoyed a tremendous amount of freedom compared to previously in the world (in and out of the industry). If any group has benefited from the sexual liberation movement, it has been those on the outskirts of acceptable behavior (societal standards have certainly moved in that direction with regard to your own preferences for MSM). There is a thriving market for tranny porn and as far as I know, gay/bi still sells pretty well so I'm surprised that you would express such an outrage towards the industry that is part and parcel of producing them (the same money men finance and shoot such flicks, albeit under different names in many cases). Projecting your own distain for a handful of practices that you don't like aside, good luck selling the all-new "Art coalition" in political arenas though. Without going into too much detail, the likelihood of the G&L community supporting ANYTHING the GOP does is about as likely as Bush winning a third term. ;)