Help Me cast the Next Great American Squirt Off

[SWorldMegan]

Hey Everyone,

We have the first 4 girls cast in the Great American Squirt-Off 2 ...

So far we have:
Angela Stone
Jada Fire
Annie Cruz
McKenzie Miles

Any other suggestions?

Also we need some new competitions. Last volume we did the Distance challenge and the "My Beeker Runnth Over" challenge ..

I was thinking some sort of target practice game ... any other ideas?

If i end up using some suggestions i will send you a free copy of the DVD and a few other movies from the lovely distribution company ... Shane's World.

All input will help. We are trying to "One up" Volume 1!

xoxo,
Megan

[corbin dallas]

How about a blowing up balloons contest? You know, like the ones at the carnival where you have to use a water pistol to shoot water in the clowns mouth and it blows up a balloon...

Knocking over beer cans could be another target practice item...

[dyerjp]

Lily Thai

[Lemdog]

Lily Thai
She's teh hawt.

[Adiras]

Flower Tucci and Tianna Lynn. Especially Tianna.

[ruddiger_718]

Boat racing contest. Little paper boats and who ever can get their boats past a line with their stream wins. I'd watch.

[Chicodemoda]

Have a contest to see which girl's squirt can nourish the sands of the Sahara first.

[Houstondon]

Tianna's retired although having the defending champ come back to defend the title makes sense for Flower. Other ideas:
1) Let Megan be one of the judges this time, and maybe Geoff, our fearless leader.
2) Have a blind taste test where the judges compare the quality of the output rather than just the quantity.
3) Make it longer than 92 minutes. :)
4) How about putting out lit candles for target practice? (spaced equally apart, the gal "spraying" them out as she moves her hips, a few feet away)

[Giantrobo]

I like your choice of Annie Cruz but i guess there's no way to bring up "squirting" and not think of her.

-other-


<--Patiently awaiting Numanoid's "Squirting is fake and you guys are chumps for thinking otherwise" rant. :lol:

[Rockmjd23]

<--Patiently awaiting Numanoid's "Squirting is fake and you guys are chumps for thinking otherwise" rant. :lol:
I would say something, but I don't want to piss all over this thread.


;)

[corbin dallas]

I would say something, but I don't want to piss all over this thread.


;)


you forgot the :rimshot:

[Faust]

I'll chime in with Sierra Sinn and Kat. As for a contest, I would maybe like to see a "volume" contest. Who can basically squirt the most into a beaker of some sort over "X" amount of time.

[Rypro 525]

how about Nadia Styles? Theres one vid I got of her where she squirts like 5 or 6 times.

[SWorldMegan]

I'll chime in with Sierra Sinn and Kat. As for a contest, I would maybe like to see a "volume" contest. Who can basically squirt the most into a beaker of some sort over "X" amount of time.

That exact contest is in volume one ... wish granted ;-)

xoxo,
Megan

[SWorldMegan]

Alot of the girls mentioned have left the biz or are under contract. Sierra Sin and Nadia Styles are great ideas!!

I am trying to get Nina Hartly or Joanna Angle to be a judge and then have the girls in the movie try and get the female jusdge to squirt. I figured that would be a cool thing. Sure you can make yourself squirt ... but what about someone else??

Any thoughts on that?
xoxo,
Megan

[The Shocker]

How about Cytherea? She's smoking hot and can squirt like no other!

Also, I used to love Taren Steele, but haven't seen her in a few years...

Taylor Hayes?

[zekeburger1979]

How a target contest? Set up 5 targets and time how long it takes for each woman to knock down the target.

A "How High Can You Squirt?" contest. Have the ladies sitting in front of a board or piece of plastic that has measurements marked on it and see how high they can squirt.

Have a contest to see how many times in one minute the woman can squirt.

[achau9598]

how about an accuracy contest ... not only fill a cup to a certain point, but put the cup at a distance so they have to try to aim for it?

or get some volunteers (wink, wink) to sit across the room, mouths open and see who can hit their guy first :)

or how about a "strongest squirt" contest? use some guage to see who actually has the hardest shot :)

[Brain Stew]

I think Roxy Deville does some squirting.

[DaveWadding]

Sunny Lane.

[TheGodfather]

Naomi.

[Snowmaker]

Just whatever you do, don't have Ron Jeremy in on the action again. The guy's a legend, but no one really wants to see him going at it now.


As far as event ideas:


http://static.flickr.com/30/47309925_717f5e807a.jpg

[JesseCuster]

Dasha is a pretty natural squirter. She gets extremely wet so I have a suspicion that Bobbi Starr can squirt if properly, umm, encouraged. Riley Mason?

[SWorldMegan]

Hey Guys!!

We shot the movie last night =) The finale cast was:

Angela Stone, Jada Fire, Annie Cruz, Lyla lei, Mckenzie Miles and Jamie Tyler.

We had two mini competitions one called the human fire hose and one called "make the Judge Squirt".

Again Ron jeremy judged and this time he was join by Joanna Angel and industry Newbie (she had never seen squirting ... ever!) Starla.

We had a total blast!! I acted as the production manager and did a little audio engeniering ... ohhh and i shot half the BTS. We were there 16 hours but it is totally awesome! Shot on HD too! For crystal clear squirts =)

No worries on on jeremy joining this time LOL

I really hope you guys like it .... if this one goes over as well as the first one did ... we will be onto volume 3!!!

xoxo,
Megan

[MartinBlank]

http://www.uselessjunk.com/article_full.php?id=18465

HOLY SHITBALLS!! :jawdrop:

[achau9598]

wow .. just wow

[XCritic Editor]

Tianna's retired although having the defending champ come back to defend the title makes sense for Flower. Other ideas:
1) Let Megan be one of the judges this time, and maybe Geoff, our fearless leader.
2) Have a blind taste test where the judges compare the quality of the output rather than just the quantity.
3) Make it longer than 92 minutes. :)
4) How about putting out lit candles for target practice? (spaced equally apart, the gal "spraying" them out as she moves her hips, a few feet away)

Good to hear the shoot went well.

For the record I'd love to be a judge in a porn some day but not if it means doing a squirt taste test!!

There have been several false starts on having DVD Talk writers do audio commentaries on porns, but none have every actually happened.

And it's late to put the vote in, but Kimberly Kane would make a fucking kick ass judge the next time around.

[Snowmaker]

No worries on on jeremy joining this time LOL


PHEW! :D

[Numanoid]

<--Patiently awaiting Numanoid's "Squirting is fake and you guys are chumps for thinking otherwise" rant. :lol::p

If it makes you feel better to call it something other than "pissing", more power to ya (but you're not fooling anyone). :)

[mrbaton]

Although not that attractive, you should cast the MILF that was in the bonus scene, the blond that squirted a ton. You could have her as a teacher playing with herself adn then dousing one of her students, the student then tells her girlfriends who come and nearly drown the teacher in their squirt. Could be in a classroom, with the girls wearing glasses and squirting all over the desk, blackboard etc

[dolphinboy]

I really thought this was was one of the grossest things we allowed ourselves to watch. We won't watch things like Cumfart Cocktails for example.

But for it to be hot and gross, you really have to be a special woman. Tiana Lynn was the best at pulling it off, Cytherea could do it, Flower, and Angela Stone also comes to mind.

The next generation of squirters aren't as good in many cases and just don't have whatever the quality it is that those others have/had to pull it off. Prime example is Jenna Presley. She is one of the hottest girls in porn imho and I just don't want to see her do it, although she's done it quiet a bit.

Now if Tiana came back, that would be another story!

[dolphinboy]

Well, now I can I don't care who you cast.

Shane's World screwed over Penny Flame to the point where they've actually mutually agreed to tear up her contract.

She's done with Shane's World, she was easily the best star they have and perfect for their kind of movies, and I can now no longer even bother to look at their future releases after Penny's last stuff comes out.

Casey was all hype and Devon, with her mental issues, is a huge crapshoot. Especially since Shane's World movies require more than good sex and Devon's personality is a huge question mark.

Huge boo to Shane's World.

[Houstondon]

Dolphinboy: "Well, now I can I don't care who you cast.

Shane's World screwed over Penny Flame to the point where they've actually mutually agreed to tear up her contract.

She's done with Shane's World, she was easily the best star they have and perfect for their kind of movies, and I can now no longer even bother to look at their future releases after Penny's last stuff comes out.

Casey was all hype and Devon, with her mental issues, is a huge crapshoot. Especially since Shane's World movies require more than good sex and Devon's personality is a huge question mark.

Huge boo to Shane's World."

I like Penny a lot and think she's a perfect fit for much of what Shane's World does but there are two sides to every argument. I'm not going to pry and ask the company to reveal their reasoning for the dispute but I gleamed the following from Penny's own website (a quote below). She was the director for B&C #3, meaning she was responsible for everything that happened on the set. Aside from leaving the set to go to a casting call for another company DURING production, she gets one of the male talent high to the point he can't orgasm. No pop shot=DOA scene that amounts to wasted money. She fights with Smokey, making it sound the complete opposite of what she has said in the past (usually thanking him for making it all happen but now claiming he never shot things the way she wanted), and instead of taking responsibility as a DIRECTOR (keep in mind that were she merely talent, it'd be a different story). This is all coming strictly from her side of the story too so there's no telling what else took place.

I've enjoyed their work for years and as much as I think Penny is a great performer and shows a lot of potential as a director, her work for them in that capacity to date has not been unilaterally their best. It takes time to develop and hone the skills needed and the fact is that those unseen cameramen and editors at the company are far more responsible for making the movies "good" than any of their directors to date. Considering she thinks it's okay to leave a production IN PROGRESS, I think Ms. Grant did the only sane thing she could do, even if I hate that Penny is no longer with the only company that truly fit her personality. Whereever she lands in the industry, I'll be hoping things work out better for her and I'll still appreciate her zeal, passion, and other fine qualities but given what she wrote; the situation was far from the company screwing her over (even if it might have been handled differently). Oh, and as a contract PERFORMER, Casey is the best they have (although the only one they have since they don't typically have a lot of them at any given time) just as Devon might truly be an excellent director if her own habits are kept in check. Here's what Penny said on her website for those who care:

"So here is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help me god.
About two weeks ago, we shot a pick-up scene for my movie, Blazed and Confused 3. The scene had Savannah Stern getting fucked by Johnny Sinns. We were all sitting around the room smoking weed when Johnny asks to join in. Or I ask if he smokes. either way. He says yes, he does, so we share the blunt with him. 4 hours later, he can’t cum, and he blames it on Mary Jane. Okay. Whatever. If you don’t smoke, don’t say you do. If you do smoke, feel free and make damn sure you can cum. Time goes by, and I throw my house party….okay. Here is the set up. I have a couple people arrive around 5 to start shooting the first scene, knowing that I have to go to a casting at 7. SO. I get the scene under way, meaning we do the intro, chill for a bit and then when Rachel and Nick start fucking I sneak out the backdoor and make my way to the casting. I leave at 6:30 and am back by 7:45. OK. I have the rest of the talent set up to arrive at 8…..SO PRETTY MUCH NOBODY IS THERE WHILE I’M GONE AND ALL START ARRIVING ONCE I DO. The night goes on, I have a huge problem with one of my camera men, (smokey) because for as many times as I’ve tried to explain what I want, he gets drunk and angry and doesn’t listen. Then at one point he starts talking shit to me, and I’m like, “no way buddy. No shit talking here. You say it to my face….”
We get 5 full scenes. First Rachel Roxx and Nick Manning. Then me and Jack fuck a little bit, until Eva angelina comes in and starts sucking his dick (I just went to see if Jack had ordered any pizza and pretty soon he’s going down on me). Third scene is Savannah Stern and Derik Pierce fucking….from that scene you can see what is going on in the hottub and boy is it going on in the hottub…..between Alexis Texas and Sascha and oh wait….me and mr. pete. Neat. Both us girls get a nice load of spunk on us and whammo…..who is manning fuckin now? The lovely Kylie Wild….in the bedroom….with his cock. Kind of like clue, but different. Night ends with twenty cheese burgers from mac-d’s because it’s so late and no pizza is open. Great party. Done deal. I wanted to shoot one pick up scene of me and someone else fucking in the morning…probably sascha, because I always do great scenes with him…..either way, we shot a full movie that night, got everything we need, and my casting didn’t effect the situation at all.
Today is pay day. I call Shanes World to inquire about my check from the B&C pick-up scene and what am I told? That everybody gets paid on that set except me and Johnny. Because it is my fault Johnny can’t cum. (I’m sorry, last time I checked it’s a guys responsibility to be able to squeeze out that baby makin potion.) Oh hell motherfuckin no. SO I call the owner, Jennie, and she says that since I got him high, he couldn’t cum…..(yes, he is a grown ass man, and no I didn’t blow smoke down his throat, although that would have been incredibly sexy). I say, no, he is a grown ass man, and he makes his own judgement calls and we asked him if he smoked and he said yes, so there is my liability out the door.
Jennie then tells me that I shouldn’t have left the party.
I say this is seperate than that, and don’t get your shit confused.
She says that at this point she would rather just cut my contract than argue about it.
I said fine, seeing as how I’m the only good contract girl you’ve got. One is fat, and the other is flaky.
She says fine, its cut.
I AM NOW A FREE WOMAN. I NO LONGER REPRESENT OR HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE COMPANY SHANES WORLD. I NO LONGER WILL DIRECT FOR OR PERFORM FOR A COMPANY THAT OUTRIGHT TRIES TO DICK ME OUT OF MY MONEY.
you can fuck me all day, but the second you fuck me out of my money, we have a problem. a big problem.
and that problem is ME."

[Giantrobo]

Houstondon good post I think both sides kinda had a point but from a Labor point of view if you work, you get paid right? I guess porn can probably get around those issues....

I learned many things from that post. The main thing I learned is that in 2007 the porn industry hasn't figured out an effective back up plan for guy's who can't ejaculate. :lol: Hell, if he can get it up and keep it up for the scene then that's 95% of the battle right? Faking a facial with some "fake spunk" seems like an easy thing to do.

Believe me, other than a "porn reviewer/porn connoisseur" ;):p:lol:, the average guy furiously jerking his cock while watching this won't notice Cum SFX using a non-semen fluid that looks like semen.

[dolphinboy]

Dolphinboy: "Well, now I can I don't care who you cast.

Shane's World screwed over Penny Flame to the point where they've actually mutually agreed to tear up her contract.

She's done with Shane's World, she was easily the best star they have and perfect for their kind of movies, and I can now no longer even bother to look at their future releases after Penny's last stuff comes out.

Casey was all hype and Devon, with her mental issues, is a huge crapshoot. Especially since Shane's World movies require more than good sex and Devon's personality is a huge question mark.

Huge boo to Shane's World."

I like Penny a lot and think she's a perfect fit for much of what Shane's World does but there are two sides to every argument. I'm not going to pry and ask the company to reveal their reasoning for the dispute but I gleamed the following from Penny's own website (a quote below). She was the director for B&C #3, meaning she was responsible for everything that happened on the set. Aside from leaving the set to go to a casting call for another company DURING production, she gets one of the male talent high to the point he can't orgasm. No pop shot=DOA scene that amounts to wasted money. She fights with Smokey, making it sound the complete opposite of what she has said in the past (usually thanking him for making it all happen but now claiming he never shot things the way she wanted), and instead of taking responsibility as a DIRECTOR (keep in mind that were she merely talent, it'd be a different story). This is all coming strictly from her side of the story too so there's no telling what else took place.

I've enjoyed their work for years and as much as I think Penny is a great performer and shows a lot of potential as a director, her work for them in that capacity to date has not been unilaterally their best. It takes time to develop and hone the skills needed and the fact is that those unseen cameramen and editors at the company are far more responsible for making the movies "good" than any of their directors to date. Considering she thinks it's okay to leave a production IN PROGRESS, I think Ms. Grant did the only sane thing she could do, even if I hate that Penny is no longer with the only company that truly fit her personality. Whereever she lands in the industry, I'll be hoping things work out better for her and I'll still appreciate her zeal, passion, and other fine qualities but given what she wrote; the situation was far from the company screwing her over (even if it might have been handled differently). Oh, and as a contract PERFORMER, Casey is the best they have (although the only one they have since they don't typically have a lot of them at any given time) just as Devon might truly be an excellent director if her own habits are kept in check. Here's what Penny said on her website for those who care:

"So here is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help me god.
About two weeks ago, we shot a pick-up scene for my movie, Blazed and Confused 3. The scene had Savannah Stern getting fucked by Johnny Sinns. We were all sitting around the room smoking weed when Johnny asks to join in. Or I ask if he smokes. either way. He says yes, he does, so we share the blunt with him. 4 hours later, he can’t cum, and he blames it on Mary Jane. Okay. Whatever. If you don’t smoke, don’t say you do. If you do smoke, feel free and make damn sure you can cum. Time goes by, and I throw my house party….okay. Here is the set up. I have a couple people arrive around 5 to start shooting the first scene, knowing that I have to go to a casting at 7. SO. I get the scene under way, meaning we do the intro, chill for a bit and then when Rachel and Nick start fucking I sneak out the backdoor and make my way to the casting. I leave at 6:30 and am back by 7:45. OK. I have the rest of the talent set up to arrive at 8…..SO PRETTY MUCH NOBODY IS THERE WHILE I’M GONE AND ALL START ARRIVING ONCE I DO. The night goes on, I have a huge problem with one of my camera men, (smokey) because for as many times as I’ve tried to explain what I want, he gets drunk and angry and doesn’t listen. Then at one point he starts talking shit to me, and I’m like, “no way buddy. No shit talking here. You say it to my face….”
We get 5 full scenes. First Rachel Roxx and Nick Manning. Then me and Jack fuck a little bit, until Eva angelina comes in and starts sucking his dick (I just went to see if Jack had ordered any pizza and pretty soon he’s going down on me). Third scene is Savannah Stern and Derik Pierce fucking….from that scene you can see what is going on in the hottub and boy is it going on in the hottub…..between Alexis Texas and Sascha and oh wait….me and mr. pete. Neat. Both us girls get a nice load of spunk on us and whammo…..who is manning fuckin now? The lovely Kylie Wild….in the bedroom….with his cock. Kind of like clue, but different. Night ends with twenty cheese burgers from mac-d’s because it’s so late and no pizza is open. Great party. Done deal. I wanted to shoot one pick up scene of me and someone else fucking in the morning…probably sascha, because I always do great scenes with him…..either way, we shot a full movie that night, got everything we need, and my casting didn’t effect the situation at all.
Today is pay day. I call Shanes World to inquire about my check from the B&C pick-up scene and what am I told? That everybody gets paid on that set except me and Johnny. Because it is my fault Johnny can’t cum. (I’m sorry, last time I checked it’s a guys responsibility to be able to squeeze out that baby makin potion.) Oh hell motherfuckin no. SO I call the owner, Jennie, and she says that since I got him high, he couldn’t cum…..(yes, he is a grown ass man, and no I didn’t blow smoke down his throat, although that would have been incredibly sexy). I say, no, he is a grown ass man, and he makes his own judgement calls and we asked him if he smoked and he said yes, so there is my liability out the door.
Jennie then tells me that I shouldn’t have left the party.
I say this is seperate than that, and don’t get your shit confused.
She says that at this point she would rather just cut my contract than argue about it.
I said fine, seeing as how I’m the only good contract girl you’ve got. One is fat, and the other is flaky.
She says fine, its cut.
I AM NOW A FREE WOMAN. I NO LONGER REPRESENT OR HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE COMPANY SHANES WORLD. I NO LONGER WILL DIRECT FOR OR PERFORM FOR A COMPANY THAT OUTRIGHT TRIES TO DICK ME OUT OF MY MONEY.
you can fuck me all day, but the second you fuck me out of my money, we have a problem. a big problem.
and that problem is ME."


I know you fancy yourself a porn insider, but, believe me, I don't need anyone to tell me that there are 2 sides to every story and there was no reason to post Penny's entire blog entry here.

Penny didn't GET anyone high. Unless somehow her lips and lungs work on another adult. Penny can't GET or make anyone else who's a grown man or woman do anything that they don't want to do. And if you're working on a movie with the director of 3 blazed and confused films, it should surprise no one, not even the owners of the company, that pot is going to be around. Hell, the company is practically endorsing it. Penny's being away from the set had NOTHING TO DO with why she wasn't paid. She was there when the performer CHOSE to get high. If her leaving upset the owners, they should have paid her and then told her their feelings about her leaving and if they couldn't agree on whether it was or wasn't acceptable for her to do it, then the two parties could have walked away from their partnership.

SW has had 3 great directors and all 3 of them left or were let go in a similar manner and all had bad things to say about the company. If you think Casey is their star, then I feel sorry for them. While she's cute, she's yet to give anything better than a mediocre performance and I don't think her heart is in it, but that's just my opinion. Devon is not only, at least, a huge risk with her history of issues, but who knows how her personality will translate to a genre where looking good and fucking great aren't enough.

By the way, if I rant on about Fox sucking for cancelling Firefly, that's my right and nobody says boo. So, if I want to support my favorite porn star, please excuse me for not caring to debate the issue or acting as if I haven't considered both sides.

Penny produced the best SW stuff in the last several years. They won't be able to replace everything she brings to the table. Not with Devon and not with Casey.

[Houstondon]

Dolphin: "I know you fancy yourself a porn insider, but, believe me, I don't need anyone to tell me that there are 2 sides to every story and there was no reason to post Penny's entire blog entry here."

reply: First off, while a number of people consider me to be an insider, I completely disagree with the belief and have stated so a great many times in the past. Given the specifics of your posting and accusations leveled, it seemed as though you had indeed forgotten the thought that there are two sides to each story but I added it in for those who caught the thread late as much as for you. Secondly, I thought including the entire blog entry was as fair as I could be to Penny since if I went off half cocked about how irresponsible she was as the person in charge of the shoot, you'd be fussing that I selectively presented the information (heck, you didn't even link to the blog to let others decide for themselves what went down). In terms of "fair use", it was an acceptable move as well since she has certainly benefitted from the amount of promotion the company has given her; making it qualify as "news".

Dolphin: "Penny didn't GET anyone high. Unless somehow her lips and lungs work on another adult. Penny can't GET or make anyone else who's a grown man or woman do anything that they don't want to do. And if you're working on a movie with the director of 3 blazed and confused films, it should surprise no one, not even the owners of the company, that pot is going to be around. Hell, the company is practically endorsing it. Penny's being away from the set had NOTHING TO DO with why she wasn't paid. She was there when the performer CHOSE to get high. If her leaving upset the owners, they should have paid her and then told her their feelings about her leaving and if they couldn't agree on whether it was or wasn't acceptable for her to do it, then the two parties could have walked away from their partnership."

reply: Aside from taking her word as the unadulterated truth without waiting to hear from the other side, I would suggest that Penny's status as a heavy pot smoker might just possibly impact her recollection of the specific conversations she had. She was obviously emotionally charged when she wrote it too, not the most reliable time for anyone to engage in a rant. We don't really know why she wasn't paid other than hearing her side of the story. If you enter a court of any sort, even the court of public opinion, armed with a single side of the story, it does make forming an opinion exceedingly easy to arrive at. It doesn't make said opinion accurate or fairly arrived at but this is a problem when we allow our little head to think for our big head. I like Penny's performances enough that I'd like to believe she's completely not at fault but even hearing just her side of the story leaves me with serious doubts as to:
1) Why she wasn't paid
2) What the totality of circumstances were that led to her being fired/let out of her contract
3) Whether or not it was okay for the person in charge (typically called a director) to leave a shoot to engage in a project for a competitor for personal gain

Dolphin: "SW has had 3 great directors and all 3 of them left or were let go in a similar manner and all had bad things to say about the company."

reply: SW has had a great many GOOD directors that have come and go over the years, some of which say rather pleasant things about Ms. Grant and Hector(?) for giving them a break when NO ONE ELSE WOULD, at great expense. If the three directors you are referring to are Tim, Devinn, and Penny; I suggest our definition of "great" is substantially different. Tim cut his teeth on the kind of gonzo popularized by RLD/PXP; NOT reality porn as SW and a few others shoot it. If you ask him, I believe he wanted to make a couple of generic movies a week and not the "once every two months" level SW was going to give him. Devinn's movies for Wicked Pictures (where she was let go as a director AND contract performer) were okay but I challenge you to watch her work at SW and offer up a reasonable list of why her work was so great (especially after you referred to the work she did for them by saying: "They brough in Devinn Lane who made 2 stinkers" back in another thread). I liked her stuff enough to enjoy it but it was far from the level of creativity some of her former peers at either company have made. Penny's stuff was a lot of fun but again, even you pointed out that it wasn't their best stuff; "they seem to not be trying to put the same effort as they do for other releases."


Dolphin: "If you think Casey is their star, then I feel sorry for them. While she's cute, she's yet to give anything better than a mediocre performance and I don't think her heart is in it, but that's just my opinion."

reply: Again, in your own words: "Honestly, I thought Casey Parker Girl Next Door was a mixed bag, but you tapped into something everyone who watches porn dig, even if they won't say so, you got this cute, "innocent" girl to let you into her life at college and you whisked her away to the world of porn. Some of it didn't work, but I know people really liked Casey and liked the story-even if she did write you and it wasn't planned. It's a great fantasy." Tapping into a market is exactly what companies are supposed to be doing and as their exclusive contract star for now, Casey seems to be very well received. I think she has a lot of untapped potential as a performer but the same is true of Penny as a director (they aren't mutually exclusive). Keep in mind that SW relies far less on contract stars than companies like Vivid, Digital Playground, Wicked Pictures, and a few others so the "star status" isn't as important for them.


Dolphin: "Devon is not only, at least, a huge risk with her history of issues, but who knows how her personality will translate to a genre where looking good and fucking great aren't enough."

reply: I agree that Devon is a big risk for them and have said so repeatedly. Still, she's a party gal according to everyone I've talked to and that kind of personality COULD translate really well in her capacity as hostess/director. On the other hand, if she can look and fuck great, that really is enough for most people; the gal bringing a LOT of fans with her. Just as I wish Von Swine, Lane, and Penny the best of luck, I hope this venture works out for her too, regardless of my doubts and concerns.

Dolphin: "By the way, if I rant on about Fox sucking for cancelling Firefly, that's my right and nobody says boo. So, if I want to support my favorite porn star, please excuse me for not caring to debate the issue or acting as if I haven't considered both sides."

reply: If you rant on a public forum, essentially thread crapping as a form of protest against a company in support of your idol, don't be surprised if someone provides a more balanced view point. Given your reply, it seems to me that you certainly do care to debate the issue or you would not have replied. You can support your favorite porn star without tearing into an established company that makes some well received porn just as I can still think highly of Penny as a performer though have concerns about what led to her departure at the company.

Dolphin: "Penny produced the best SW stuff in the last several years. They won't be able to replace everything she brings to the table. Not with Devon and not with Casey."

reply: Tastes in porn vary so if you think she made the best stuff they've done in recent years, I'm sure that is true for you (I have no idea if you've seen all of their stuff or not) even though you did seem to think her work was shortchanged in the other thread. I agree that they won't be able to find an exact match for Penny but given her nonchalance about directing and how quickly she tore into them over the matter, I can't say that I blame them either. She wanted the benefits of being a contract director without the responsibilities such a position ensued, putting SW in a tough spot. Maybe Vivid will pick her up (though I wonder if they would be as open to her style) or maybe she'll work for a production mill as a director that will stamp out all of her creativity (being a "job" for her), if not just stick with performing.

Whatever she chooses to do, she'll have plenty of slavering fanboys that will follow her blindly off a cliff if that's where she leads them. Just don't get fussy at me for looking at the big picture and expect me to remain silent. Penny will do just fine given her performing skills and I will look forward to seeing her work wherever she makes it for as long as she does so. Just because I think she was more responsible for what happened than you do doesn't alter my appreciation for her as a performer but it's crystal clear that your opinions are completely clouded over by your passion for her (as evidenced above). :)

[dolphinboy]

Dolphin: "I know you fancy yourself a porn insider, but, believe me, I don't need anyone to tell me that there are 2 sides to every story and there was no reason to post Penny's entire blog entry here."

reply: First off, while a number of people consider me to be an insider, I completely disagree with the belief and have stated so a great many times in the past. Given the specifics of your posting and accusations leveled, it seemed as though you had indeed forgotten the thought that there are two sides to each story but I added it in for those who caught the thread late as much as for you. Secondly, I thought including the entire blog entry was as fair as I could be to Penny since if I went off half cocked about how irresponsible she was as the person in charge of the shoot, you'd be fussing that I selectively presented the information (heck, you didn't even link to the blog to let others decide for themselves what went down). In terms of "fair use", it was an acceptable move as well since she has certainly benefitted from the amount of promotion the company has given her; making it qualify as "news".

Dolphin: "Penny didn't GET anyone high. Unless somehow her lips and lungs work on another adult. Penny can't GET or make anyone else who's a grown man or woman do anything that they don't want to do. And if you're working on a movie with the director of 3 blazed and confused films, it should surprise no one, not even the owners of the company, that pot is going to be around. Hell, the company is practically endorsing it. Penny's being away from the set had NOTHING TO DO with why she wasn't paid. She was there when the performer CHOSE to get high. If her leaving upset the owners, they should have paid her and then told her their feelings about her leaving and if they couldn't agree on whether it was or wasn't acceptable for her to do it, then the two parties could have walked away from their partnership."

reply: Aside from taking her word as the unadulterated truth without waiting to hear from the other side, I would suggest that Penny's status as a heavy pot smoker might just possibly impact her recollection of the specific conversations she had. She was obviously emotionally charged when she wrote it too, not the most reliable time for anyone to engage in a rant. We don't really know why she wasn't paid other than hearing her side of the story. If you enter a court of any sort, even the court of public opinion, armed with a single side of the story, it does make forming an opinion exceedingly easy to arrive at. It doesn't make said opinion accurate or fairly arrived at but this is a problem when we allow our little head to think for our big head. I like Penny's performances enough that I'd like to believe she's completely not at fault but even hearing just her side of the story leaves me with serious doubts as to:
1) Why she wasn't paid
2) What the totality of circumstances were that led to her being fired/let out of her contract
3) Whether or not it was okay for the person in charge (typically called a director) to leave a shoot to engage in a project for a competitor for personal gain

Dolphin: "SW has had 3 great directors and all 3 of them left or were let go in a similar manner and all had bad things to say about the company."

reply: SW has had a great many GOOD directors that have come and go over the years, some of which say rather pleasant things about Ms. Grant and Hector(?) for giving them a break when NO ONE ELSE WOULD, at great expense. If the three directors you are referring to are Tim, Devinn, and Penny; I suggest our definition of "great" is substantially different. Tim cut his teeth on the kind of gonzo popularized by RLD/PXP; NOT reality porn as SW and a few others shoot it. If you ask him, I believe he wanted to make a couple of generic movies a week and not the "once every two months" level SW was going to give him. Devinn's movies for Wicked Pictures (where she was let go as a director AND contract performer) were okay but I challenge you to watch her work at SW and offer up a reasonable list of why her work was so great (especially after you referred to the work she did for them by saying: "They brough in Devinn Lane who made 2 stinkers" back in another thread). I liked her stuff enough to enjoy it but it was far from the level of creativity some of her former peers at either company have made. Penny's stuff was a lot of fun but again, even you pointed out that it wasn't their best stuff; "they seem to not be trying to put the same effort as they do for other releases."


Dolphin: "If you think Casey is their star, then I feel sorry for them. While she's cute, she's yet to give anything better than a mediocre performance and I don't think her heart is in it, but that's just my opinion."

reply: Again, in your own words: "Honestly, I thought Casey Parker Girl Next Door was a mixed bag, but you tapped into something everyone who watches porn dig, even if they won't say so, you got this cute, "innocent" girl to let you into her life at college and you whisked her away to the world of porn. Some of it didn't work, but I know people really liked Casey and liked the story-even if she did write you and it wasn't planned. It's a great fantasy." Tapping into a market is exactly what companies are supposed to be doing and as their exclusive contract star for now, Casey seems to be very well received. I think she has a lot of untapped potential as a performer but the same is true of Penny as a director (they aren't mutually exclusive). Keep in mind that SW relies far less on contract stars than companies like Vivid, Digital Playground, Wicked Pictures, and a few others so the "star status" isn't as important for them.


Dolphin: "Devon is not only, at least, a huge risk with her history of issues, but who knows how her personality will translate to a genre where looking good and fucking great aren't enough."

reply: I agree that Devon is a big risk for them and have said so repeatedly. Still, she's a party gal according to everyone I've talked to and that kind of personality COULD translate really well in her capacity as hostess/director. On the other hand, if she can look and fuck great, that really is enough for most people; the gal bringing a LOT of fans with her. Just as I wish Von Swine, Lane, and Penny the best of luck, I hope this venture works out for her too, regardless of my doubts and concerns.

Dolphin: "By the way, if I rant on about Fox sucking for cancelling Firefly, that's my right and nobody says boo. So, if I want to support my favorite porn star, please excuse me for not caring to debate the issue or acting as if I haven't considered both sides."

reply: If you rant on a public forum, essentially thread crapping as a form of protest against a company in support of your idol, don't be surprised if someone provides a more balanced view point. Given your reply, it seems to me that you certainly do care to debate the issue or you would not have replied. You can support your favorite porn star without tearing into an established company that makes some well received porn just as I can still think highly of Penny as a performer though have concerns about what led to her departure at the company.

Dolphin: "Penny produced the best SW stuff in the last several years. They won't be able to replace everything she brings to the table. Not with Devon and not with Casey."

reply: Tastes in porn vary so if you think she made the best stuff they've done in recent years, I'm sure that is true for you (I have no idea if you've seen all of their stuff or not) even though you did seem to think her work was shortchanged in the other thread. I agree that they won't be able to find an exact match for Penny but given her nonchalance about directing and how quickly she tore into them over the matter, I can't say that I blame them either. She wanted the benefits of being a contract director without the responsibilities such a position ensued, putting SW in a tough spot. Maybe Vivid will pick her up (though I wonder if they would be as open to her style) or maybe she'll work for a production mill as a director that will stamp out all of her creativity (being a "job" for her), if not just stick with performing.

Whatever she chooses to do, she'll have plenty of slavering fanboys that will follow her blindly off a cliff if that's where she leads them. Just don't get fussy at me for looking at the big picture and expect me to remain silent. Penny will do just fine given her performing skills and I will look forward to seeing her work wherever she makes it for as long as she does so. Just because I think she was more responsible for what happened than you do doesn't alter my appreciation for her as a performer but it's crystal clear that your opinions are completely clouded over by your passion for her (as evidenced above). :)

Seriously, if you want to continue the debate, please learn how to use the quote function or, at the very least, go easy on the bolding. I have a headache.

Adultdvdtalk has a thread on this on and numerous people including Von Swine, Devinn Lane, Penny, and at least 2 people who are in the industry in some capacity have all basically agreed that SW is a mess and what they did to Penny was wrong and they will suffer for it in the long run.

So, you can call me a fanboy, and I'm proud to be one, but I think that these people have the ability to look at both sides of the story and know the business well, so pulling all your condescending crap that is easy to do with a fanboy, might be better off over there.

Just go to porn news and put your stamp on that thread. It's, by no means, a fanboy thread, and sure people would love for you to post Penny's entire blog entry and then somehow infer it was her fault that someone got high. Or that because of that she didn't deserve to get paid. Or YOU might want to read more of what Penny has posted about SW and that she took half of her normal fee to get Blazed and Confused made for the budget they wanted.

Why just debate me if you a truly interested and, by the way, my posts are incredibly small compared to yours, so you seem genuinely more interested than me?

[Houstondon]

1) Quote Function: It doesn't work since I switched to Mozilla. Complaining first about the style of a post and secondly about the content says plenty though. ;)

2) ADT and I are no strangers but I'm about as likely to start posting there again as you are to apologize to SW for the one sided rant. I've personally communicated with Tim (who, last I heard, wasn't a big fan of ADT's censorship policies) about his times at SW in the past and I just don't think he was ever cut out for their type of material (his work with Shorty Mac was pretty good too but he got the can there as well, same at RLD/PXP, and at least one other company-not so much his fault as things not working out). Lane was another one that simply did not fit in there, just like she didn't fit in at Wicked Pictures, but trash talking the "mean old capitalists" owning the companies is a tradition in porn so I'm not going to suggest any of the three have sour grapes... (cough) Seriously though, each of the directors mentioned have done some decent work (and in terms of technical excellence, Penny wasn't even close to the others, though she did add extra fun factor to most of her flicks) but fitting in at a specific company can be tough, especially a small company like SW.

3) Otherwise, I'll stick with making my own mind up about their titles rather than join the lynch mob at a fansite. That means judging the material for itself instead of the politics behind the scenes that virtually no one else cares about. Whatever business practices go on at SW that I might not care for (show me a single company that is perfect), they put up the money to finance these people and it's their reputation on the line when a movie is released under their company name. If the wannabe directors don't like the rules, let them finance their own titles and distribute them successfully (keep in mind that Penny herself pointed out how incredibly stupid that would be for her when you egged her own about it). She was in charge of the shoot and left for another project with a competitor, also taking a chance with talent over handling the drugs she provided. As a general rule of thumb, the director is the one responsible for what takes place so even if her version is exactly what happened and not simply a small part of it, she is ultimately responsible for any risks taken on the set.

4) Also keep in mind that there is a difference between a "fanboy" and a "slavering fanboy". Anyone that watches a lot of performances by a particular individual is a fanboy (ie: I'm one too) but the adjective "slavering" comes in when said person acts like their idol can do no wrong and is 100% right at the expense of the facts. Example: A fanboy can appreciate a performer in the context of her work while a slavering fanboy is lost to their charms completely.

5) Penny's blog: You fussed at me for providing the context of her claim yet felt obligated to repost the entire thing and whine about my inability to use the quote function?!?

6) Many unproven directors work for free or at greatly reduced rates in order to prove their worth behind the camera. It's similar to how men break into the performing end of the business since it costs a great deal of money to make a porno (especially considering how poorly sales have been in the last few years for much of the industry). SW gives a newcomer a great advantage in that they have a crew already to do the work, a fact I admit to railing at since knowing who is really shooting/editing/directing gives me a better idea if something is done on purpose or simply ended up that way by accident. I've seen enough porn where a newcomer holding a camera ends up making a crappy project to realize the benefits of a skilled cameraman and editor. Given the breakeven point needed to make a profit these days, I can't fuss too loudly about what amount to huge risks taken as a part of a PR effort to convert a performer into a director. Penny can make more in front of the camera but really, really wanted to direct even though she had no formal training. SW gave her a chance and by her own admission, she engaged in questionable actions while at the helm.
I'll make you a deal though; if you arrange the complete financing of her next five movies, I'll take care of the distribution for a modest fee since I do like her and want her to succeed. I'll even make it a sliding scale depending on how much I like what she makes, as long as she stays on the set as director.

7) As far as debating a large group of slavering fanboys and people full of sour grapes (even people I might usually like), I'll pass on going elsewhere. I have no need to do so and generally don't spend a lot of time at other forums since I find plenty on DVD Talk to occupy my time. My purpose wasn't to "debate" you, just provide another look at the same events using the same one sided information provided. You were the one saying you didn't want to debate and here you are again... ;)
Just for kicks, I may go over to XXXPT and toss out a few lines for kicks since you seem interested in seeing me defend those mean old capitalists at SW in front of a hostile audience though. Is that a fair compromise?

BTW, one of my moderator friends at ADT wrote me an email suggesting your name at his site is Dreamy McDreamy or something. Is this really true? (I nearly fell out of my chair laughing when I read what he said.)

[SWorldMegan]

OK i was out of town ... back now =)

OK let me chime in a little bit here ...

Yes, Penny was a great fit for our company and we all still think she is great, honestly from the bottom of our hearts. It was a great run!

As far as screwing her over ... i don't see it that way. I can see how she is frustrated with the situation.

Leaving set when you are paid to be there, is not cool, especially when your the director. Maybe this would have turned out different if she had told us she had something she had to do and had arranged it ... instead the company felt like they were paying her to be somewhere and she was pulling the "wool pulledover our eyes" and not there doing her job. The company found out she left from other people ... you never want to here stuff like "hey your director left the movie and went to do somthing for some other company on your dime!". Which is why i think this went bad. Since she knew she had something to do ... we could have shot it on a different day. I am SURE Penny did not do it in a malicious way! But when partners don't communicate ... things between the lines that arn't there get read.

As far as the make up scene, this has happened before with a guy not popping or the scene ending up a little lame because he smoked. If i remember correctly she was asked to only allow this until after the scene was done. As far as i know they were asking her to do the make up scene for free (aka no directors fee) since the first make up failed and we were going to have to do it again. Which the guy did on his own accord!! He is an adult and it is his fault. But we still had to explain it to his agent, pay all the kill fess, etc, etc. Penny was to be paid her directing fee on a make-up we could use ... but why should she get 2 directing fees on the same scene?

What people forget is just because the company was asking her to not get paid for the makeup (since she had already been asked to not allow the smoking and had been paid on all scenes plus performer fees) doesn't mean we wern't paying out. There is camermen fees, locations fees, kill fee to the female talent, agency fees, etc.

These are my opinions ... not the companys. Penny knows i love her to death and wish she was still here!!! But it didn't work out, even though i really wish it had. Sometimes that happens ... she has been with us almost 2 years and we all had a lot of fun together. I don't think the friendships will change ... just the business deal will.

Those are my thoughts do with them what you would like. Penny will still go on to do amazingly things! Hopefully she will continue directing!

xoxo,
Megan

[dolphinboy]

1) Quote Function: It doesn't work since I switched to Mozilla. Complaining first about the style of a post and secondly about the content says plenty though. ;)

2) ADT and I are no strangers but I'm about as likely to start posting there again as you are to apologize to SW for the one sided rant. I've personally communicated with Tim (who, last I heard, wasn't a big fan of ADT's censorship policies) about his times at SW in the past and I just don't think he was ever cut out for their type of material (his work with Shorty Mac was pretty good too but he got the can there as well, same at RLD/PXP, and at least one other company-not so much his fault as things not working out). Lane was another one that simply did not fit in there, just like she didn't fit in at Wicked Pictures, but trash talking the "mean old capitalists" owning the companies is a tradition in porn so I'm not going to suggest any of the three have sour grapes... (cough) Seriously though, each of the directors mentioned have done some decent work (and in terms of technical excellence, Penny wasn't even close to the others, though she did add extra fun factor to most of her flicks) but fitting in at a specific company can be tough, especially a small company like SW.

3) Otherwise, I'll stick with making my own mind up about their titles rather than join the lynch mob at a fansite. That means judging the material for itself instead of the politics behind the scenes that virtually no one else cares about. Whatever business practices go on at SW that I might not care for (show me a single company that is perfect), they put up the money to finance these people and it's their reputation on the line when a movie is released under their company name. If the wannabe directors don't like the rules, let them finance their own titles and distribute them successfully (keep in mind that Penny herself pointed out how incredibly stupid that would be for her when you egged her own about it). She was in charge of the shoot and left for another project with a competitor, also taking a chance with talent over handling the drugs she provided. As a general rule of thumb, the director is the one responsible for what takes place so even if her version is exactly what happened and not simply a small part of it, she is ultimately responsible for any risks taken on the set.

4) Also keep in mind that there is a difference between a "fanboy" and a "slavering fanboy". Anyone that watches a lot of performances by a particular individual is a fanboy (ie: I'm one too) but the adjective "slavering" comes in when said person acts like their idol can do no wrong and is 100% right at the expense of the facts. Example: A fanboy can appreciate a performer in the context of her work while a slavering fanboy is lost to their charms completely.

5) Penny's blog: You fussed at me for providing the context of her claim yet felt obligated to repost the entire thing and whine about my inability to use the quote function?!?

6) Many unproven directors work for free or at greatly reduced rates in order to prove their worth behind the camera. It's similar to how men break into the performing end of the business since it costs a great deal of money to make a porno (especially considering how poorly sales have been in the last few years for much of the industry). SW gives a newcomer a great advantage in that they have a crew already to do the work, a fact I admit to railing at since knowing who is really shooting/editing/directing gives me a better idea if something is done on purpose or simply ended up that way by accident. I've seen enough porn where a newcomer holding a camera ends up making a crappy project to realize the benefits of a skilled cameraman and editor. Given the breakeven point needed to make a profit these days, I can't fuss too loudly about what amount to huge risks taken as a part of a PR effort to convert a performer into a director. Penny can make more in front of the camera but really, really wanted to direct even though she had no formal training. SW gave her a chance and by her own admission, she engaged in questionable actions while at the helm.
I'll make you a deal though; if you arrange the complete financing of her next five movies, I'll take care of the distribution for a modest fee since I do like her and want her to succeed. I'll even make it a sliding scale depending on how much I like what she makes, as long as she stays on the set as director.

7) As far as debating a large group of slavering fanboys and people full of sour grapes (even people I might usually like), I'll pass on going elsewhere. I have no need to do so and generally don't spend a lot of time at other forums since I find plenty on DVD Talk to occupy my time. My purpose wasn't to "debate" you, just provide another look at the same events using the same one sided information provided. You were the one saying you didn't want to debate and here you are again... ;)
Just for kicks, I may go over to XXXPT and toss out a few lines for kicks since you seem interested in seeing me defend those mean old capitalists at SW in front of a hostile audience though. Is that a fair compromise?

BTW, one of my moderator friends at ADT wrote me an email suggesting your name at his site is Dreamy McDreamy or something. Is this really true? (I nearly fell out of my chair laughing when I read what he said.)

Why don't you simply copy this entire book, edit it a bit, and then post it.

You have a problem with me and you have a problem with ADT??? But not with your buddy the moderator there? So funny you fell out of your chair? Please. You need to watch less porn and watch "Dumb and Dumber" before your brain melts. That's a forum where people often post directly to a porn star something like, "I'd love to see you take 100 cumshots on your face and then drink it all up" and something that I've written is really THAT funny? You're breaking my heart with your desire to act and appear superior.

If what you say is so important for people to know and provides the much needed information and context that you believe it provides, something others who don't agree with are fanboys are even people who are actually in the industry working, but whom you don't want to hear from because they are suffering from sour grapes, why not just post it for the good of porn and not worry about those stupid fanboys and performers and directors who just are full of the sour grapes?

The reason that I even posted in this thread, rather than start a new one, is because, like some of the other smaller forums here, there is not a lot of traffic here. Not a lot of posters and visits compared to many of the other forums. So, you basically wrote several novels trying to put me in my place in a forum where there are not that many readers and very few people who care about the situation, you, or me. Seems like a rather curious choice of what to do with your time. But it is your time.

Finally, I didn't say I didn't want to debate you, I said if you want to continue the debate, go easy on the bold. And it's far more creepy and just plain wrong that, simply based on my posts, ones you've so readily dismissed as being very naive, that you would try and talk to one of your "buddies" at ADT, the forum you refuse to post at, to try and get info about who I am there. It's really not that hard to figure out, just really creepy that you'd find the need to look into or have someone else look into these things.

You really come across as freak when you need to go to a place and you check out something like that and then feel the need to comment about who I am or what my sceen name is. What if it was Dr. Hardcock? What would that mean? What would you read into that? Why would it be funny? Why would it matter?

Please share with the other 2 readers of this thread. I'm sure you can give us another novella on that subject alone. Then you can go back to your full time job of teaching porn 101 and other advanced classes to those who don't know enough about it and those in the business who are tortured by their sour grape syndrome.

[Houstondon]

Poor Dolphin...sniveling like a beaten puppy...

1) I appreciate that you were so focused on the way I wrote that you forgot to discuss what was actually presented, information later backed up by a party on the "other" side of the issue from SW.

2) There have been ~2900 hits on this thread alone, with a few more on the XXXPT thread that has now been picked up by the various columnists for general distribution. I've seen the Alexa numbers for ADT so I feel pretty comfortable that I have a pretty decent audience for my writing AND REVIEWING here at DVD Talk. I used to review for them, know plenty of the little secrets that went on there, and just because I still have a few friends involved with the website does not mean I am going to break my word to Mark & Steph (the owners) about posting over there to satisfy your needs. Penny has visited here in the past, as have a number of others, some of whom lurk so they won't be hit up for "signs" and other freebies; if any of them want to discuss it with me, my email is plastered on thousands of reviews and dozens of websites where I've contributed in the past. Considering Penny is looking to work for three companies I'm pretty tight with, I'm sure it will come up in conversation in the near future as well...

3) I didn't talk to someone at ADT to find out who you were, he asked me if I was someone else posting over there since my comments were apparently similar to someone in one of their threads. That led to him goofing on you since he figured out you were some closet stalker with a goofy internet name on his website. I admit that it was a funny name, and figured it wouldn't hurt to mention it here since you are trying to get me to start posting over there again (I'll stay here where the consumer is king while you go play nicely with the established class system they prefer to offer).

4) I promised the owner of JM Productions (and XXXPT) that I would finally join his website when we hung out for a few at this year's show; something of a yearly discussion we have had since I left ADT and he started his website in response to the wholesale banning that took place there. While I may not enjoy the harsher threads over there as much as some of them do, they are just as valid a site as ADT for discussing porn related topics. They don't sugarcoat the terms and don't suck up to the PR people posing as performers online as much as at ADT but I can tell you'd be out of your league over there too. The sanitized version of what goes on in porn is less interesting than the truth to me no matter how fansites spin it or cater to the industry egos.

5) "So, you basically wrote several novels trying to put me in my place in a forum where there are not that many readers and very few people who care about the situation, you, or me." I assure you that my responses don't take that long to write and my intent was to set the record straight from a third party standpoint. I appreciate that you have thus far been unable to defend your positions (especially those where your own previous words hammered your newly inspired take on the matter) and have decided to focus solely on matters relating to location of debate and technical matters rather than the meat of the subject, By doing so, you're the one who comes across as the slavering fanboy who can't handle the heat.

[dolphinboy]

Poor Dolphin...sniveling like a beaten puppy...

1) I appreciate that you were so focused on the way I wrote that you forgot to discuss what was actually presented, information later backed up by a party on the "other" side of the issue from SW.

2) There have been ~2900 hits on this thread alone, with a few more on the XXXPT thread that has now been picked up by the various columnists for general distribution. I've seen the Alexa numbers for ADT so I feel pretty comfortable that I have a pretty decent audience for my writing AND REVIEWING here at DVD Talk. I used to review for them, know plenty of the little secrets that went on there, and just because I still have a few friends involved with the website does not mean I am going to break my word to Mark & Steph (the owners) about posting over there to satisfy your needs. Penny has visited here in the past, as have a number of others, some of whom lurk so they won't be hit up for "signs" and other freebies; if any of them want to discuss it with me, my email is plastered on thousands of reviews and dozens of websites where I've contributed in the past. Considering Penny is looking to work for three companies I'm pretty tight with, I'm sure it will come up in conversation in the near future as well...

3) I didn't talk to someone at ADT to find out who you were, he asked me if I was someone else posting over there since my comments were apparently similar to someone in one of their threads. That led to him goofing on you since he figured out you were some closet stalker with a goofy internet name on his website. I admit that it was a funny name, and figured it wouldn't hurt to mention it here since you are trying to get me to start posting over there again (I'll stay here where the consumer is king while you go play nicely with the established class system they prefer to offer).

4) I promised the owner of JM Productions (and XXXPT) that I would finally join his website when we hung out for a few at this year's show; something of a yearly discussion we have had since I left ADT and he started his website in response to the wholesale banning that took place there. While I may not enjoy the harsher threads over there as much as some of them do, they are just as valid a site as ADT for discussing porn related topics. They don't sugarcoat the terms and don't suck up to the PR people posing as performers online as much as at ADT but I can tell you'd be out of your league over there too. The sanitized version of what goes on in porn is less interesting than the truth to me no matter how fansites spin it or cater to the industry egos.

5) "So, you basically wrote several novels trying to put me in my place in a forum where there are not that many readers and very few people who care about the situation, you, or me." I assure you that my responses don't take that long to write and my intent was to set the record straight from a third party standpoint. I appreciate that you have thus far been unable to defend your positions (especially those where your own previous words hammered your newly inspired take on the matter) and have decided to focus solely on matters relating to location of debate and technical matters rather than the meat of the subject, By doing so, you're the one who comes across as the slavering fanboy who can't handle the heat.

Please, you obviously just like to hear yourself talk and if you take my lack of engaging you on a debate about porn as a sign of weakness, then so be it. Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on the viewpoint, it's far less about ability and far more about desire.

It's porn. If you want to delude yourself into thinking this issue was worth getting into a huge debate over, then, again, so be it.

My original post on the matter, in fact, was rather short. Just said my piece, didn't really get into the meat of the subject as you called it.

By the way, Megan has stated on the record that she isn't speaking for the company in her posts on this matter. She has said she is writing from the perspective of someone who is a friend of Penny's and someone who has most, not all of the details, and views the issue from her own unique perspective. So Shane's World, technically, hasn't said anything, so they certainly haven't backed you up.

And you really want me to engage in your bizarre story of why you don't post at ADT (you certainly can look, though) as if you were banned and then rant on about some friend discussing me as a would be stalker (right) which somehow led you to believe it was ok to post my screen name, which you didn't get right by the way, and then you ramble on about hits to this thread and how Penny has posted herself. Please. How many people have really read your posts or my posts on this subject and really give a flying f#ck that you seem to have a hard on for me, because I didn't post in this thread like it had the importance of a history final.

Penny posted here once or twice. She couldn't care less that you've made it your mission to write long essays on the subject of her dismissal. Nor would probably most people. I can't even say that I've even read all of what you've wrote, despite being the subject of most of your attacks. It's way too long.

Talk about stalker potential. Go have a drink with your porn friends and muse not about me, but why you haven't been signed on my a large porn company to run their company. You certainly seem to know it all.

When you stoop to mocking (poor dolphin) or name calling (referring to me as a potential stalker from the conversation you supposedly had where I somehow magically came up), I'd say your main interest is in being a dick, not in really trying to communicate a point. Although by the length of your posts, I think you've said more than enough.

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1) You were the one who thread crapped by fussing at the company for "screwing her over" and then started making nasty remarks about their ONLY contract star and other contract director. Keeping in mind that the thread had NOTHING to do with Penny or the others, showing how fickle some people are. I'm sure you jump on command when Penny speaks too but that's the nature of your postings. :)

2) I'm sure you don't read the threads you respond to given the quality of posts you've made to date (even the ones where you were practically BEGGING to work for SW in the other thread).

3) It's funny that you claim it's "only porn" on one hand yet keep responding and even trying to get me to start posting on another website, suggesting I have the capacity to do so after I've clearly stated otherwise. The "as if you were banned" jab shows your cluelessness in spades but I've come to expect that from you. Believe what you will about my status there or the amount of my friends that frequent the website, you're just upset because you're completely out of your league in this discussion and have been proven wrong.

4) As far as why I defended a porn company in the first place; I happen to be one of the adult reviewers here and if someone is going to level unsubstantiated charges at a company that has routinely made some of the best porn in its niche in what amounts to my backyard, I think it's fair to hold up the matter to scrutiny.

5) SW has no need to respond "officially" to the accusation. Penny did a fine job of showing what led to her departure on her own. It's still a shame but blaming the company probably won't look as good the next time it happens, or the time after that, or the time after that (as other directors have done).

6) I'm many things and a "dick" is indeed one of them when I see some asshat speaking out of both sides of his mouth about a topic he knows little about. Whatever you wrote as you pined over Penny elsewhere, your record here was clear enough. I also make a comfortable living outside of porn, so why would I even want to work in the industry for a living (and deal with fair weather friends that are quick to believe anything fed to them, as long as it's by a stranger they lust after)? Bye!