The one and Only Kim Kardashian Superstart Discussion Thread

[Rypro 525]

Vivid found the latest Sunny tape in a garbage can outside her house and paid the gardner to get it.

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sunny the wrestler or the porn star that used to post here?

[maxfisher]

we paid for the tape, we didn't steal it. number 1.
number 2, why would someone be a damn fool to pay for a dvd with the hottest girl you've ever seen doing great sex?
number 3 what is so hilarious about my stance of piracy is stealing?
number 4 Sunny just came out with Female Gardner.

Many would take the position that to distribute a sex tape, a person needs the permission of everyone who's performing on camera. Without that permission, I really don't view it as any morally different than if someone stuck a camera outside my bedroom window and tried distributing a tape of me fucking my girlfriend. The hilarity is that you were sermonizing about people not giving you money for something that many of us believe you don't really own, regardless of it turns out that you're legally in the clear.

[Houstondon]

Max,
the courts will decide if the footage was legally obtained and on a purely technical note, had there been a reasonable argument of impropriety in the legalities, the court would have granted an injunction/restraining order against Vivid until it could all be settled in a trial.

On a moral level, the argument made a few times in the thread amounts to saying two wrongs make a right as it's alright to steal if your opinion of property rights is different than that of case law. If you and the others thought Vivid did something wrong by obtaining the footage, you should refrain from buying it, stealing it online, or otherwise viewing it at all since you would be, in effect, stealing from the thief (if you rob a bank robber, does that make the money yours on some moral level?). Just saying...

[Shannon Nutt]

The hilarity is that you were sermonizing about people not giving you money for something that many of us believe you don't really own, regardless of it turns out that you're legally in the clear.

Trust me, Max, Vivid has Kim's permission. Everything you see in the press is a "smokescreen" so Kim can still have a mainstream career. I can assure you she's seeing some "coin" from this DVD release...she just doesn't want people to think that she is.

[dick_grayson]

Trust me...


well, in that case......

[maxfisher]

Max,
the courts will decide if the footage was legally obtained and on a purely technical note, had there been a reasonable argument of impropriety in the legalities, the court would have granted an injunction/restraining order against Vivid until it could all be settled in a trial.

On a moral level, the argument made a few times in the thread amounts to saying two wrongs make a right as it's alright to steal if your opinion of property rights is different than that of case law. If you and the others thought Vivid did something wrong by obtaining the footage, you should refrain from buying it, stealing it online, or otherwise viewing it at all since you would be, in effect, stealing from the thief (if you rob a bank robber, does that make the money yours on some moral level?). Just saying...

Yeah, I was curious, but couldn't find any real details on the court papers online and was guessing that there isn't an injunction to stop the release. Still, Howard already said that this girl doesn't want the video released, that she's not being paid and that he's releasing it anyway. If he's to be taken at his word, I do find some humor in him calling others to task for downloading the video for free. I agree with your 'robbing from a robber' analogy, but while robbing a robber isn't right, a robbed robber complaining about being robbed is kind of funny. That said, I have no intention of seeing the video at all, so I don't think I'm being morally inconsistent in having a problem with what Howard says he's doing.

Trust me, Max, Vivid has Kim's permission. Everything you see in the press is a "smokescreen" so Kim can still have a mainstream career. I can assure you she's seeing some "coin" from this DVD release...she just doesn't want people to think that she is.

Maybe you're privy to info that I don't have, but I was just going off of what Howard had already said. If you're right and the court system is being abused so Kim can make money from a sex tape while keeping the door open to a mainstream career, then I have no desire to support anyone involved in the waste of taxpayers' money.

[Houstondon]

I'd guess that some of the PR is designed to give her plausible deniability, much like Paris wanted when she approved her video in private but publically acted shocked. Shannon is one of the best informed porn insiders outside of Chatsworth though so I'll defer to his connections on this topic. :)

[Frankenlola]

we paid for the tape, we didn't steal it. number 1.
number 2, why would someone be a damn fool to pay for a dvd with the hottest girl you've ever seen doing great sex?
number 3 what is so hilarious about my stance of piracy is stealing?
number 4 Sunny just came out with Female Gardner.


1. If I pay to see it on an online site, then it is OK?
2. His opinion of fools differs from your opinion of the "hottest girl" I have ever seen.
3. I think they are considering it ironic, not so much hilarious.
4. Meh...

[Shannon Nutt]

much like Paris wanted when she approved her video in private but publically acted shocked

Bingo.

Kind of fishy that Paris and Kim are best friends...hmm, wonder where Kim got the idea from? ;)

[soggypie]

we paid for the tape, we didn't steal it. number 1.
number 2, why would someone be a damn fool to pay for a dvd with the hottest girl you've ever seen doing great sex?
number 3 what is so hilarious about my stance of piracy is stealing?
number 4 Sunny just came out with Female Gardner.

I know im out of the loop,but just who the hell is this kim whatever-the-hell her name is?
ive never heard of her,and highly doubt shes the 'hottest girl you've ever seen'

[SPiRAL]

Wasn't this thing supposed to be out today ?

[wm lopez]

Any reviews?

[soggypie]

edit:
googled her,and shes not bad maybe ill check out her video

[howard@pulse]

I will say one thing, Shannon Nutt is completely wrong.

[howard@pulse]

And one more thing, she is the hottest girl I've ever seen.

[Patman]

Horrible camerawork, bad angles. Too bad.

[NCMojo]

Once again, I'll ask -- how exactly is howard@vivid allowed to repeatedly make posts shilling his company when no one else on the forum is allowed the same privelege???

If he's paying you advertising money, Geoff, I think you should come clean. Allowing a paid shill here would be pretty fraudulent on your part. If he's not paying you, then frankly, he's so clearly crossed the line that he needs to be banned.
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[Deftones]

Why are you even asking that question? Of course he's paying to shill.

[xx2000xx]

Horrible camerawork, bad angles. Too bad.

Don't forget to add horrible lighting and editing. They added music to it and there is no flow to the vid because it's edited like crazy, cutting to different shots and sounds throughout the entire movie.

[puddytay]

Are you talking about the 8 minute teaser? Because that isn't the full flick...

[xx2000xx]

Are you talking about the 8 minute teaser? Because that isn't the full flick...

No.

[wm lopez]

So this is not worth buying?

[Patman]

Nope.

[Arpeggi]

She's fucking hot but yeah there's only 1 scene in the whole tape and Vivid just added some random non-sex scenes.

[ben12]

How many times did she REALLY say "Baby, you're fucking this pussy so good?"

[ben12]

Don't forget to add horrible lighting and editing. They added music to it and there is no flow to the vid because it's edited like crazy, cutting to different shots and sounds throughout the entire movie.Nothing kills a boner faster than seeing how obnoxious and annoying she is on an airplane.

[Original Desmond]

Not worth a purchase but worth a free download :)

She is a hot babe for sure

[Original Desmond]

Once again, I'll ask -- how exactly is howard@vivid allowed to repeatedly make posts shilling his company when no one else on the forum is allowed the same privelege???

If he's paying you advertising money, Geoff, I think you should come clean. Allowing a paid shill here would be pretty fraudulent on your part. If he's not paying you, then frankly, he's so clearly crossed the line that he needs to be banned.
It's one thing to encourage members of the adult film community to post here -- it's quite another to allow them to openly shill for their company over and over again.

Im puzzled why Howard is even bothering with dvdtalk in the first place. One of the biggest porn companies in the world, adulttalk is hardly high traffic. I would have thought there would be heaps of other forums with many many more horny perverts where Howard could peddle his smut.

[MovieExchange]

Im puzzled why Howard is even bothering with dvdtalk in the first place. One of the biggest porn companies in the world, adulttalk is hardly high traffic. I would have thought there would be heaps of other forums with many many more horny perverts where Howard could peddle his smut.

Not to mention I think a large company like Vivid would find someone less annoying than Howard to be their representative. Shit, after seeing the way he's spammed the forum and his rather hypocritical view of piracy, I don't plan on buying anything Vivid puts out.

[Wildo1966]

Just hearing the guy spew his free publicity is sickening enough, I would never give Vivid one penny to see this garbage....Don't worry, it will be readily available to see for free soon....

[Houstondon]

NCmojo,
G! has explained this in the past and pointed out what he allows company reps to do. He gives them avatars so they can be differentiated against the hordes of spammers too. As far as your observations regarding the posted rules (which G! interprets, not you):
1) "Posting of any form of advertising including: URL's with affiliate codes, referrer tags, tracking numbers or anything which actively promotes a site or company"

There is a difference between someone being given a modicum of latitude to promote a title and what you suggest here. How many URL's has Howard posted? How many referrer tags? How many tracking numbers? Heck, he isn't even promoting his website or company, just an adult release that G! has allowed him to.

2) "Spam or promotion of your personal site for advertising purposes"

Do you see a lot of promotion for his personal site in this or other threads?

3) "It's one thing to encourage members of the adult film community to post here -- it's quite another to allow them to openly shill for their company over and over again."

G! has allowed Howard to participate here and made clear to him what conditions he could do so under. If you have an issue with that, send G! an email or snail mail as the website tells you to do:
"If you have any questions about this privacy statement, the practices of this site, or your dealings with this Web site, you can contact

Geoffrey Kleinman
Kleinman.com Inc.
8872 SW 82nd Ave
Portland, OR 97223
talk@dvdtalk.com"

4) "If he's paying you advertising money, Geoff, I think you should come clean. Allowing a paid shill here would be pretty fraudulent on your part."

If the practices of the website are so offensive to you, there are other places you might be happier. Questioning the owner of a private forum and suggesting he is engaging in fraud is about as indicative of a mindset begging to be banned as I can think of at the moment, but your mileage may vary.

Original Desmond, "Im puzzled why Howard is even bothering with dvdtalk in the first place. One of the biggest porn companies in the world, adulttalk is hardly high traffic."

You might be surprised to know who reads this forum and how influential it (and the reviews) can be, especially compared to many adult-only websites. Your puzzlement aside, Howard's been in the industry for around 20 years now for the same company so perhaps he knows something you don't (remember that porn is an industry where career longevity is not typically a given).

[Original Desmond]

Fair enough mate :)

I know all i need to know about porn, and that's that you can get all that you could possibly want free on the net :)

[KLM]

For the moment, the video is here; broken into eight parts.

http://www.nastyboards.com/forums/t11450-kim-k-superstar-kim-kardashian-sex-tape.html

[howard@pulse]

I am gushing over the love.
I or Vivid is not paying Geoff one penny for anything.
I am answering questions and providing answers to posts that are incorrect.
I am expressing my opinion about a dvd, not shilling, that i truly believe in.
I don't work on commission, so i don't really care if you buy it or not.
I sold 100k units, and i am sold out.
the people that complain about me are surely from other companies that don't do as well as Vivid.
You can steal it online, but i think there is something wrong with people who jack off to their computer. Just my opinion.
Don, thanks for sticking up for me, you are always honest and hit the point right on.
Sorry I'm not the Henry Kissinger of porn, but I am very honest and call them as I see them.
As for why I'm "wasting my time" with dvdtalk forum, I don't see it as a waste of time at all, I think this is one of the best sites on the web, it is laid out better than the others and is a great platform for discussion and information. Besides geoff is one of the best guys I've met in the business. I get good reviews and I get bad reviews, just ask Don.
But they are honest reviews. We listen to the people on this site and have changed many things with our movies because of Geoff and Dons feedback, which they get from the viewers.
We strive to make our product better everyday.
That's why I'm here, thanks for all the love.

[Lunatikk]

You can steal it online, but i think there is something wrong with people who jack off to their computer. Just my opinion.


So its ok if we burn it to DVD and jack with our tv?

[howard@pulse]

sure, that we would better.

[El Scorcho]

Once again, I'll ask -- how exactly is howard@vivid allowed to repeatedly make posts shilling his company when no one else on the forum is allowed the same privelege???

If he's paying you advertising money, Geoff, I think you should come clean. Allowing a paid shill here would be pretty fraudulent on your part. If he's not paying you, then frankly, he's so clearly crossed the line that he needs to be banned.
It's one thing to encourage members of the adult film community to post here -- it's quite another to allow them to openly shill for their company over and over again.



Who fucking cares, dude. Go go forum police!!

[NCMojo]

Don, I moved my response here (http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=495994) if you want to continue this discussion.

I forgot that non-fappable posts in the Adult Forum makes El Scorcho all cranky.

[Houstondon]

NC, good call on the move since it really had no place in this forum (and I'll answer you there in a second-finishing up a review).

Howard, keep in mind that some of the prudes think they hold stock in the website (they don't) and have appointed themselves as the governing board (they aren't) who can second guess G! on how he runs his own website. Heck, some of them have gone on record as not wanting adult content here at all (even in the form of reviews) but I'd rather not start that up again. I should get the Kim DVD by next week and will give it an honest look to let you know what I think. :)

[Frankenlola]

Wow, She is the hottest thing I have ever seen! I would buy multiple copies of this! I only wish it had more straight man-on-man action!11!!

[DVDsAreMyLIFE]

I am gushing over the love.
I or Vivid is not paying Geoff one penny for anything.
I am answering questions and providing answers to posts that are incorrect.
I am expressing my opinion about a dvd, not shilling, that i truly believe in.
I don't work on commission, so i don't really care if you buy it or not.
I sold 100k units, and i am sold out.
the people that complain about me are surely from other companies that don't do as well as Vivid.
You can steal it online, but i think there is something wrong with people who jack off to their computer. Just my opinion.
Don, thanks for sticking up for me, you are always honest and hit the point right on.
Sorry I'm not the Henry Kissinger of porn, but I am very honest and call them as I see them.
As for why I'm "wasting my time" with dvdtalk forum, I don't see it as a waste of time at all, I think this is one of the best sites on the web, it is laid out better than the others and is a great platform for discussion and information. Besides geoff is one of the best guys I've met in the business. I get good reviews and I get bad reviews, just ask Don.
But they are honest reviews. We listen to the people on this site and have changed many things with our movies because of Geoff and Dons feedback, which they get from the viewers.
We strive to make our product better everyday.
That's why I'm here, thanks for all the love.

Your whole industry is based off people jacking off to their computers. Why would I want to buy a DVD when I can buy it directly from the internet through VoD or some sort. But of course jacking off to your TV is so much better.

[Original Desmond]

Howard Howard Howard

So you think

Download online = play on computer only (jack off to computer)

buy dvd = play on TV (jack off to TV)

Um i thought you would be a bit less behind the times that this ! Just about anyone with any technical know how has a set up which allows them to play ANY format and display it on their tv, there are 101 solutions to do this (e.g. laptop with Svideo out, Xbox, dedicated media players, mpeg4 dvd players, media PCs etc etc)

So yeah basically we jack off to what we want where we want :)

[DVDsAreMyLIFE]

I just stare at the cover of my porn DVD and jerk off to that.

[jblank]

It blows my mind that someone allegedly affiliated with the adult industry, would demean individual that "enjoy" their product on the PC. Does this person forget that his company (if he really works for them) has an entire website that is devoted to paying for the privilege of watching this video on their computer?

What a hypocrite.

[RoadHog]

howard@vivid
You sir, are the biggest hypocrite.

PS: Damn, I am still a New Member?

[Mopower]

the people that complain about me are surely from other companies that don't do as well as Vivid.

Ya we are all from other porn companies. More like we don't like people that start multiple threads about the same subject especially when they are trying to sell something.

As for why I'm "wasting my time" with dvdtalk forum, I don't see it as a waste of time at all, I think this is one of the best sites on the web, it is laid out better than the others and is a great platform for discussion and information.


Plus it's free advertising. Right? I mean every time Vivid comes out with a new movie you get to come here and make 2 or 3 threads about it offering no discussion other than saying it's going to be for sale.

I'm not just pointing you out cuz that woman from Shane's World does the same thing. Next month I'm sure someone from Bang Bros or something will be here hocking their movies as well.

[Lunatikk]

this video isn't even that good. Kim is horrible at oral. Also it looks like the same fuck scene keeps repeating after some unrelated footage is put in, and some of it is so close up you can't see anything.

[Adiras]

I've been hearing nothing but bad reviews of this video. Lots of looping, and apparently she doesn't even get pissed on!! What is this world coming to?

And I still have no fucking clue why Kim Karwhatever is a "celebrity".

[Lunatikk]

also she keeps her top on for 95% of the video

[hepcat]

yeah, I have to agree about howard and megan. it's one thing to come in and try to get feedback and stay in touch with the fans, but posts promoting new vids are weak. just buy a banner ad.

[Arpeggi]

also she keeps her top on for 95% of the video

But that 5% is awesome.

[Lunatikk]

But that 5% is awesome.

not really, she just pulls it down a little bit

[wm lopez]

I'm glad I didn't pre-order this dvd.

[PJsig08]

saw it, NOT REAL GOOD. she is obviously ridiculous but it's boring and terribly filmed. but damn she is gorgeous

[Frankenlola]

Plus it's free advertising. Right? I mean every time Vivid comes out with a new movie you get to come here and make 2 or 3 threads about it offering no discussion other than saying it's going to be for sale.

I'm not just pointing you out cuz that woman from Shane's World does the same thing. Next month I'm sure someone from Bang Bros or something will be here hocking their movies as well.

No discussion? What about "The hottest girl you have ever seen" and "Spank your meat until it begs for mercy". If those aren't conversation starters, I don't know what is.

At least the Shane's girl posts trailers, responds to questions, and doesn't berate the potential customers.

[xage]

Whoah, members here are pretty much disgruntled towards Howard's Promo on the new Kim K DVD.

To the extent, some folks who have seen the video gave it a bad review (duhh, as if they bought the actual DVD.. If I only knew what you have on hand were the low quality "wmv" files downloaded from the internet). This is a typical sourgraping excuses by folks who cant afford to buy and rely to bootlegging (illegally downloading this files from torrent,rapidshares,megaupload, etc..etc..).

Guys, can you not give credit to Vivid? We should be thankful without them the said sextape will not resurface.

[ben12]

Whoah, members here are pretty much disgruntled towards Howard's Promo on the new Kim K DVD.

To the extent, some folks who have seen the video gave it a bad review (duhh, as if they bought the actual DVD.. If I only knew what you have on hand were the low quality "wmv" files downloaded from the internet). This is a typical sourgraping excuses by folks who cant afford to buy and rely to bootlegging (illegally downloading this files from torrent,rapidshares,megaupload, etc..etc..).

Guys, can you not give credit to Vivid? We should be thankful without them the said sextape will not resurface.You want us to be grateful for releasing a shitty video?

[howard@pulse]

I said it was just my opinion about watching movies on a computer, i'm 52 and not that computer savay. I don't like watching porn on my computer, sorry if that offends you.
The only time i started a multipule thread was with this title, never before, and I got called to the carpet by Geoff, the threads were removed, so I don't really understand what the big deal is.
"promoting new vids is weak", maybe I'm wrong, but I thought when something of interest is coming out, you'd want to know, I guess not.
I will do everyone a favor, much to your delight, I will stop posting on this forum.
It has been a pleasure, thank you for supporting Vivid, goodnight and good luck.

[howard@pulse]

P.S. Thank you Geoff and Don for all your support, you are truly gentleman.

[Ravyn]

Im puzzled why Howard is even bothering with dvdtalk in the first place. One of the biggest porn companies in the world, adulttalk is hardly high traffic. I would have thought there would be heaps of other forums with many many more horny perverts where Howard could peddle his smut.

In Howard's defense I thought I would chime in onthis thread and say a few words on all of this. Can I ask you why "you" OD are bothering with DvdTalk? Is it because maybe you are tried of the trash and gossip over at the other adult sites that you came here. I have only been with DVD TALK for almost a year now and its refreshing to see that it will never take on the form of the other sites. DVD Talk from what I see is one of the better review sites that gives extensive detailing in all their reviews which companies live Vivid look for. I for one have reviewed several titles from Vivid and I can say honestly that Vivid has come to respect our reviews and reviewers and feel that they will get an honest review not some bogus review to cater to the companies. So OD you are wrong when you say that Vivid is only here for one purpose only. I wish people would stop comparing the two sites. ADT is more of a gossip site and I can see why the reps of any and all adult film companies come to us.

Ravyn

[howard@pulse]

ok just one last post, thank you ravyn.
I don't go on luke ford, i don't go on adt or adult fyi, mainly because what they print is unsubstantiated bullshit.
I came here because I thought people wanted a heads-up on good new stuff before anyone else got the info.
People could ask me questions and get real answers, someone wanted to know if Jenna has ever done anal, I answered that, someone wanted to know who the new girl at club jenna was who looks like a young jenna, i answered that...brea bennett btw.
I don't feel like getting bashed for trying to provide answers.
and ben wh o says thankful for what, putting out a shitty movie, i would bet my bottom dollar he didn't even see it.
It is better than any other celebrity sex tape out, i stand by that, unless you've seen it you should, ah, maybe you should not review it.

[gameover2k2]

well howard.. i appreciated you posting here. Not sure if you'd come back.. but thanx anyway

btw... it's nice to know that someone sharing the same view as me, for not spanking my monkey in front of the comp hehe.. i used it to do my work.. so feel kinda strange using it for porn.. thanx man

[Houstondon]

"I don't go on luke ford, i don't go on adt or adult fyi, mainly because what they print is unsubstantiated bullshit.
I came here because I thought people wanted a heads-up on good new stuff before anyone else got the info.
People could ask me questions and get real answers, someone wanted to know if Jenna has ever done anal, I answered that, someone wanted to know who the new girl at club jenna was who looks like a young jenna, i answered that...brea bennett btw.
I don't feel like getting bashed for trying to provide answers."

Howard, don't overestimate the influence of a handful of forum members with chips on their shoulders and cave in to their demands. I've appreciated your posts and seen much of what you've said about other forums proven true time and again. Very few have spoken out about your presence here and while a bit of a compromise might make a few of them happy, even fewer have shown that nothing will make them happy short of their owning the place and making all the rules to suit themselves. Check your email.

[Mopower]

i used it to do my work.. so feel kinda strange using it for porn.. thanx man


So your work involves posting in an adult message board?

[raven56706]

wow... and all i wanted to read about was how good this movie was.....

[sureno1347]

hey everybody i would just like to ask anybody that knows where i can download the Kim K Superstar movie im dying to see it all help is really appreciated thanks in advanced.... she is so hot

[das Monkey]

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[Silt]

hey everybody i would just like to ask anybody that knows where i can download the Kim K Superstar movie im dying to see it all help is really appreciated thanks in advanced.... she is so hot


You bound to cause a bit of a torrent of controversy asking such questions! Of course it's news to no one that there are groups out there dedicated to such illegal activities.

[innocentfreak]

You bound to cause a bit of a torrent of controversy asking such questions! Of course it's news to no one that there are groups out there dedicated to such illegal activities.

True but sometimes it is phun.

[Binger]

I just saw the video so here is a mini review.

If I could sum up the tape in one word it would be......boring. The video is horribly edited with much of the same material repeated over and over. It's very schizophrenic and hard to even get into because the editing goes from a few minutes of sex to filler and then back to the exact same thing they showed only moments prior. There is so little actual content here that it could have had less than a five minute run time if it were not for all the looping and filler. Kim only shows her tits maybe twice and she barely opens her legs. The dude is ramming her from behind but all you see is her ass crack becuase her legs are locked at the knees. Even when he's eating her out, her pussy is never spread open to give you a good look. You can obviously tell that the vid was made to be released from some of the dialog such a Ray J talking to the camera about jerking off when you watch it and the way they keep looking into the camera for approval. Kim is a hot piece, but a boring lay. All in all definately not worth a purchase and I am certainly glad that I did not buy the vid (I didn't download it either).

Additionally, I'm just weighing in on the controversy in the thread, I can see the points made in this thread about "stealing" the video. I do find the irony in complaining about downloading a supposed "stolen" sex tape. Even though Vivid paid someone for the tape, it still seems to me that if they did not pay the participants they really don't have a moral claim when it comes to downloading. I also find it funny that this tape ends with Vivid asking people (this is not the exact wording but I am going from memory) If you have a celebrity sex tape or can get your hands on one sell it to us and make a bunch of money. Seems a bit hypocritical to encourage theft and say, "Get your hands on a piece of property that dosen't belong to you and sell it to us" out of one side of your mouth while saying "but don't steal from us" out of the other.

[Original Desmond]

I agree that we need to thank Vivid for making a good quality release of this vid available, otherwise we would be looking at a 10th generation bootleg

Oh and there is much more than wmv files available on the net. You can get a full dvdr or a high quality divx rip.

[Rogue588]

I just saw the video so here is a mini review.

If I could sum up the tape in one word it would be......boring. The video is horribly edited with much of the same material repeated over and over. It's very schizophrenic and hard to even get into because the editing goes from a few minutes of sex to filler and then back to the exact same thing they showed only moments prior. There is so little actual content here that it could have had less than a five minute run time if it were not for all the looping and filler. Kim only shows her tits maybe twice and she barely opens her legs. The dude is ramming her from behind but all you see is her ass crack becuase her legs are locked at the knees. Even when he's eating her out, her pussy is never spread open to give you a good look. You can obviously tell that the vid was made to be released from some of the dialog such a Ray J talking to the camera about jerking off when you watch it and the way they keep looking into the camera for approval. Kim is a hot piece, but a boring lay. All in all definately not worth a purchase and I am certainly glad that I did not buy the vid (I didn't download it either).

Additionally, I'm just weighing in on the controversy in the thread, I can see the points made in this thread about "stealing" the video. I do find the irony in complaining about downloading a supposed "stolen" sex tape. Even though Vivid paid someone for the tape, it still seems to me that if they did not pay the participants they really don't have a moral claim when it comes to downloading. I also find it funny that this tape ends with Vivid asking people (this is not the exact wording but I am going from memory) If you have a celebrity sex tape or can get your hands on one sell it to us and make a bunch of money. Seems a bit hypocritical to encourage theft and say, "Get your hands on a piece of property that dosen't belong to you and sell it to us" out of one side of your mouth while saying "but don't steal from us" out of the other.Definitely agree with this. BOTH paragraphs.

[wm lopez]

Any giffs ?

[Lunatikk]

Kim's sister is hotter

[Houstondon]

"Kim's sister is hotter"

Yeah but Howard hasn't seen her yet. ;)

[wm lopez]

Any pics of Kim's sister?

[brizz]

I said it was just my opinion about watching movies on a computer, i'm 52 and not that computer savay. I don't like watching porn on my computer, sorry if that offends you.
The only time i started a multipule thread was with this title, never before, and I got called to the carpet by Geoff, the threads were removed, so I don't really understand what the big deal is.

not all that grammar "savay" either :lol:

[Mopower]

not all that grammar "savay" either :lol:

Vivid pays him to advertise not spell correctly.

[howard@pulse]

soreno, do you steal gum or cigarettes or do you go into your local video store and steal dvds?
You are doing the same thing by illegally downloading adult dvd.
Justify it anyway you want, YOU ARE STEALING.
If you feel good about it, fine, but what if the tables were turned, and you owned something people stole from you, would you still be happy, I doubt it. You will stop when you get caught. Ever watch a mainstream movie and see the clip about illegal downloads? Next time you should watch it. It applys to all media, music, videos, adult and mainstream. just remember one thing, there is this crazy thing called Karma, what you do, will come back on you, believe it or not it is a universal law.
And yes I am back.

[DVDsAreMyLIFE]

soreno, do you steal gum or cigarettes or do you go into your local video store and steal dvds?
You are doing the same thing by illegally downloading adult dvd.
Justify it anyway you want, YOU ARE STEALING.
If you feel good about it, fine, but what if the tables were turned, and you owned something people stole from you, would you still be happy, I doubt it. You will stop when you get caught. Ever watch a mainstream movie and see the clip about illegal downloads? Next time you should watch it. It applys to all media, music, videos, adult and mainstream. just remember one thing, there is this crazy thing called Karma, what you do, will come back on you, believe it or not it is a universal law.
And yes I am back.

So if I steal a famous painting, then sell it to you for $1 million dollars or even $2, there is nothing wrong with that?

[Ravyn]

Welcome Back Howard!!!

[NatrlBornThrllr]

If you feel good about it, fine, but what if the tables were turned, and you owned something people stole from you, would you still be happy, I doubt it.

Like a sex tape? You mean, like if somebody stole a private sex tape that I'd made with a lover, and then turned and released it for the entire world to see, destroying any sense of personal privacy I might've felt? Yeah, you're totally right, Howard. I certainly wouldn't be the least bit happy about that.

[MovieExchange]

soreno, do you steal gum or cigarettes or do you go into your local video store and steal dvds?
You are doing the same thing by illegally downloading adult dvd.
Justify it anyway you want, YOU ARE STEALING.
If you feel good about it, fine, but what if the tables were turned, and you owned something people stole from you, would you still be happy, I doubt it. You will stop when you get caught. Ever watch a mainstream movie and see the clip about illegal downloads? Next time you should watch it. It applys to all media, music, videos, adult and mainstream. just remember one thing, there is this crazy thing called Karma, what you do, will come back on you, believe it or not it is a universal law.
And yes I am back.

Howard, you either need to learn how to be a public representative or Vivid needs to hire someone else. I don't care how much of a jackass you think someone is in a thread, when you act like a jackass in return it only makes the company you represent look bad.

And yeah, let me join in with the crowd that's constantly reminding you (no matter how hard you try to ignore it) that if you're going to stick to this story that you're making money off of an item you claim was stolen from the rightful owner, you can't bitch about people stealing from you.

[howard@pulse]

First of all, the sex tape was not stolen.
Can anyone show me one article where it says that this tape was stolen from KimK or Ray J.
The answer is no.
Vivid feels we have the PROPER PAPERWORK to release the tape.
So we released it. I cannot go in to details, but your mixing apples with oranges.
SHOW ME ONE TIME WHERE KIM SAID THIS WAS STOLEN.
She never did. It was not stolen. SO STOP SAYING IT WAS STOLEN.
i don't think it's being a jackass by telling someone not to do the wrong thing.

[Rogue588]

First of all, the sex tape was not stolen.
Can anyone show me one article where it says that this tape was stolen from KimK or Ray J.
The answer is no.
Vivid feels we have the PROPER PAPERWORK to release the tape.
So we released it. I cannot go in to details, but your mixing apples with oranges.
SHOW ME ONE TIME WHERE KIM SAID THIS WAS STOLEN.
She never did. It was not stolen. SO STOP SAYING IT WAS STOLEN.
i don't think it's being a jackass by telling someone not to do the wrong thing.Since there's been some court action to stop the tape and neither Kim nor Ray J have come out and given support(?)/approval(?) regarding this tape, I think the presumption is that this was obtained from a third party who acquired the tape through methods that didn't involve the two parties on the tape. Thereby causing one to assume it was not legally obtained.

Now, if you were talking about another Vivid release like Reign Of Tera 2 or any of the Virtual Vivid Girl series, the presumption wouldn't be there and you would most definitely have a point (unless it was another shady celebrity "sex tape").

[MovieExchange]

First of all, the sex tape was not stolen.
Can anyone show me one article where it says that this tape was stolen from KimK or Ray J.
The answer is no.
Vivid feels we have the PROPER PAPERWORK to release the tape.
So we released it. I cannot go in to details, but your mixing apples with oranges.
SHOW ME ONE TIME WHERE KIM SAID THIS WAS STOLEN.
She never did. It was not stolen. SO STOP SAYING IT WAS STOLEN.
i don't think it's being a jackass by telling someone not to do the wrong thing.

Wow, corporate doublespeak, avoidances and lying.

So who did you get the tape from? Answer that simple question.

Provide the paperwork that says Kim and Ray licensed you to sell it. Not the PROPER PAPERWORK (what is your fascination with all caps, anyway?) that you "feel" allows you to release the tape.

"I cannot go in to details" is doublespeak for either "it's stolen and I have to lie my ass off" or "Kim and Ray gave this to us but we have to act like they didn't in order to get more buyers."

[howard@pulse]

you are assuming things you don't know.
We have signed a confidentiality agreement so I can't, won't speak of anything other than to say that we have the proper paperwork to release the tape.
We had the Paris tape but would not release it due to the fact there was not the proper paperwork.
We don't need to "lie our asses off" to get more people to buy it, it is selling very well on it's own.
I feel it is the best celebrity tape ever made, the sex is great, she is beyond hot and I'm sold out of 100k units.
I like all CAPS.

[MovieExchange]

you are assuming things you don't know.
We have signed a confidentiality agreement so I can't, won't speak of anything other than to say that we have the proper paperwork to release the tape.


You wanted to come here and publicize it, Howard, now you get to deal with the questions that arise. Did you have permission from both parties all along to release the DVD? Was your "the DVD is delayed because Kim is threatening legal action" post a piece of BS hype? If Kim or Ray (or both of them) did not intend for their tape to be released to the public, what kind of lowlife would obtain it through less than legal means and release it against their wishes?

If you're not going to answer the questions then all you're doing is advertising, and you should be paying a fee to DVDTalk for doing so.

If you're going to insist on not revealing who sold you the tape then we're going to have to assume that the theatened legal action and protesting of Kim about the release is legitimate, and that Vivid is a scumbag company for taking someone's private material and making money off of it by releasing it against their wishes.

Don't like it? Too bad. That's the image you've managed to cultivate for your company so far.

[Jadow]

you are assuming things you don't know.
We have signed a confidentiality agreement so I can't, won't speak of anything other than to say that we have the proper paperwork to release the tape.
We had the Paris tape but would not release it due to the fact there was not the proper paperwork.
We don't need to "lie our asses off" to get more people to buy it, it is selling very well on it's own.
I feel it is the best celebrity tape ever made, the sex is great, she is beyond hot and I'm sold out of 100k units.
I like all CAPS.

Howard, I thought you quit posting! You gave your word! :(

[Jadow]

Yeah, either Vivid is a lousy operation or Howard owns it, but I'd have fired his ass if he represented my company on a forum like he has here.

[Lunatikk]

Yeah, either Vivid is a lousy operation or Howard owns it, but I'd have fired his ass if he represented my company on a forum like he has here.

He doesn't own it. Steve and David do.

[NatrlBornThrllr]

SHOW ME ONE TIME WHERE KIM SAID THIS WAS STOLEN.
She never did. It was not stolen. SO STOP SAYING IT WAS STOLEN.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/161999/kim_kardashian_sex_tape_put_on_hold.html

I ran across this about 13 seconds into my search.

[DVDsAreMyLIFE]

you are assuming things you don't know.
We have signed a confidentiality agreement so I can't, won't speak of anything other than to say that we have the proper paperwork to release the tape.
We had the Paris tape but would not release it due to the fact there was not the proper paperwork.
We don't need to "lie our asses off" to get more people to buy it, it is selling very well on it's own.
I feel it is the best celebrity tape ever made, the sex is great, she is beyond hot and I'm sold out of 100k units.
I like all CAPS.

I am pretty sure EVERYONE has the Paris video.

[Mopower]

Howard, I thought you quit posting! You gave your word! :(

Christmas in March? Too good to be true.

[Houstondon]

Welcome back Howard. Ignore the trolls, especially those who think it would be appropriate for you to divulge corporate secrets to somehow "prove" a point. Maybe if you ask them for their date of birth, social security number, and mother's maiden name they'll provide it to you in order to "prove" they are legit members of the forum too. :)

Keep in mind that most people aren't really aware of the circumstances surrounding the current "celebrity" release, confusing the facts with the Pamela/Tommy title released elsewhere for their sparkling sweet commentaries made here. I know you can't go into detail here and no reasonable person would expect you to do so so we'll wait to see what happens in the courts for more of the dirt the vultures clamor for.

[MovieExchange]

Welcome back Howard. Ignore the trolls, especially those who think it would be appropriate for you to divulge corporate secrets to somehow "prove" a point. Maybe if you ask them for their date of birth, social security number, and mother's maiden name they'll provide it to you in order to "prove" they are legit members of the forum too. :)

Keep in mind that most people aren't really aware of the circumstances surrounding the current "celebrity" release, confusing the facts with the Pamela/Tommy title released elsewhere for their sparkling sweet commentaries made here. I know you can't go into detail here and no reasonable person would expect you to do so so we'll wait to see what happens in the courts for more of the dirt the vultures clamor for.

I hate to break this to you, but just because I disagree with you and your lil' buddy, that does not make me a troll.

The facts are plainly clear - either Kim and/or Ray did not consent to this release and Vivid obtained it without their permission and released it - making Vivid look like a sleazy company. Or they both did consent and they & Vivid are trying to paint this as a "they don't want you to see it, but we're giving it to you anyway" release - which once again paints Vivid as a sleazy company.

But hey, maybe you can actually come up from under the bridge and provide a few facts of your own to dispute things... or is that beyond your capabilities?

[Houstondon]

:notrolls:

[rayw69]

Howard:

Do you also have the paperwork that proves the existance of Karma? If so, can you look up the part where it says that stealing is bad Karma, but releasing pornography starring people who did not provide consent is not bad Karma?

What about posting on forums as a representative of a company and alienating potential customers? Is that good karma, bad karma, or karma neutral?

Isn't illegally downloading the KimK sex tape, then finding out that the tape is a big piece of shit not even worth downloading for free (much less paying for), a direct result of the bad Karma that was created from having illegally downloaded the tape in the first place? Or do you think that people who steal the tape are going to have even more bad things happen to them based on Karma? Isn't "having to watch horrible porn" a big enough Karmic punishment for people who steal porn?

What about me mocking you for thinking there is such a thing as Karma? Is that good or bad Karma for me?

[Lemdog]

Boy, tough crowd in this thread.

[Peter Pendragon]

soreno, do you steal gum or cigarettes or do you go into your local video store and steal dvds?
You are doing the same thing by illegally downloading adult dvd.
Justify it anyway you want, YOU ARE STEALING.
If you feel good about it, fine, but what if the tables were turned, and you owned something people stole from you, would you still be happy, I doubt it. You will stop when you get caught. Ever watch a mainstream movie and see the clip about illegal downloads? Next time you should watch it. It applys to all media, music, videos, adult and mainstream. just remember one thing, there is this crazy thing called Karma, what you do, will come back on you, believe it or not it is a universal law.
And yes I am back.

You're attempting to equate physical property with intellectual "property." If I steal a pack of gum from you, you're no longer able to chew gum. The pleasure of enjoying your property is gone, I've deprived you of that. If I download this video from the internet, it doesn't prevent you from continuing to enjoy it and it doesn't even prevent you from continuing to sell copies of it to other people who might want it.

[NatrlBornThrllr]

:notrolls:

C'mon, how can you dismiss members as trolls when you yourself come back in the face of a very legitimate point with a post like this one? It negates every bit of an image and set of expectations that you've repeatedly fostered in this and other threads. If you want to play devil's advocate and defend dishonorable behavior (be it profiting at somebody else's expense, or false advertising), that's wonderful. However, don't jump up on your podium to preach about how worthless our opinions our, then turn and clam up with a sarcastic smiley when confronted with a legitimate point.

If you haven't the time nor the energy to address a legitimate point that directly contradicts your notions (namely, those of Vivid being at all honorable in this situation), you should simply wait until tomorrow morning to hit the reply button. It'd save bandwith, at the very least.

-JP

[NatrlBornThrllr]

:notrolls:

C'mon, how can you dismiss members as trolls when you yourself come back in the face of a very legitimate point with a post like this one? It negates every bit of an image and set of expectations that you've repeatedly fostered in this and other threads. If you want to play devil's advocate and defend dishonorable behavior (be it profiting at somebody else's expense, or false advertising), that's wonderful. However, don't jump up on your podium to preach about how worthless our opinions our, then turn and clam up with a sarcastic smiley when confronted with a legitimate point.

If you haven't the time nor the energy to address a legitimate point that directly contradicts your notions (namely, those of Vivid being at all honorable in this situation), you should simply wait until tomorrow morning to hit the reply button. It'd save bandwith, at the very least.

-JP

[funstan]

Welcome back Howard. Ignore the trolls, especially those who think it would be appropriate for you to divulge corporate secrets to somehow "prove" a point. Maybe if you ask them for their date of birth, social security number, and mother's maiden name they'll provide it to you in order to "prove" they are legit members of the forum too. :)

Keep in mind that most people aren't really aware of the circumstances surrounding the current "celebrity" release, confusing the facts with the Pamela/Tommy title released elsewhere for their sparkling sweet commentaries made here. I know you can't go into detail here and no reasonable person would expect you to do so so we'll wait to see what happens in the courts for more of the dirt the vultures clamor for.

No offense Don, just because we do not review 48 porn titles a day or trip over the bandwidth to greet every porn star that drops by does not mean that people who thinks Vivid is wrong and that they are profiting from stealing is a troll/idiot/vulture, etc.

The majority opinion is this, Vivid either through proper or improper channels got their hands on a celebrity sex tape. The two participants are not profiting from this tape, one has asked it not to be distributed. Vivid refused released it and then advertised to buy celebrity sex tapes regardless if it is stolen or not. Howard then starts talking about illegal piracy and how wrong it is. The moral argument is really not open for debate, kind of like being against a pit bull ripping your baby to shreds.

With all due respect this is an argument that the social security #, mothers maiden name, etc. is not needed by the reasonable person.

[Houstondon]

"C'mon, how can you dismiss members as trolls when you yourself come back in the face of a very legitimate point with a post like this one? It negates every bit of an image and set of expectations that you've repeatedly fostered in this and other threads. If you want to play devil's advocate and defend dishonorable behavior (be it profiting at somebody else's expense, or false advertising), that's wonderful. However, don't jump up on your podium to preach about how worthless our opinions our, then turn and clam up with a sarcastic smiley when confronted with a legitimate point."

NBT, I don't think all of the opinions posted are "worthless" here or in the other thread. I think a number of them there were ill stated, unfounded, and unsupportable in the other thread (mainly because it was clear that a handful of people were drawing erroneous conclusions and arguing facts not in evidence). In this thread, a few members are asking questions that were already answered, even if not to their satisfaction, while others are harping on points repeatedly (which, since some people want to discuss "rules" so much, constitutes a direct violation of the "Thou shalt not harrass other members" rule).

Another point concerns stealing intellectual property, a topic that has closed many a thread here since it is also a violation of rules, for those who want to keep close track of rules, and not supported by DVD Talk (and I don't have to be a moderator to figure this out, as I've watched both violations used against members in the past).

Another industry insider, a buyer at one of the largest DVD retailers online, has spoken up to say that the material in question is legit. Aside from the boorish behavior it takes to repeatedly try and get someone to post matters tied up in court, there is no expectation that a company rep divulge what amounts to proprietary secrets to appease an anonymous internet user. The material in question must have some legal merit to be released by the company or the courts would have granted at least a temporary injunction until the matter could be heard; I'm familiar enough with the law to understand this and it might behoove a few others to at least ponder since the company OWNER has been on national TV at least a few times discussing this. Ray J now has a directing deal in porn so you do the math on half the equation and the gal definitely looks porn worthy so a few of the questions answer themselves.

Howard has gone well beyond simply posting a press release in terms of answering questions about the KK material. Attempts to goad him into going beyond where he is allowed to go by claiming some twisted sort of "if you don't, we know you're wrong" is the kind of thing I'd expect more of from some in this thread (having read other threads where they were perfectly reasonable). As far as the material itself is concerned, I'll reserve judgement as to what it looks like, how it sounds, and if it'll make me "beat my dick" as suggested elsewhere since I'm getting a copy of the ACTUAL DVD later this week to review; relying on illegal downloads in a case like this makes no sense to me but I'm a supporter of intellectual property rights as well as knowing how often downloads look inferior to the real deal.

Lastly, as I recall, a few people were mighty unhappy that I had the balls to stand up to them repeatedly, trying every trick in the book to derail my participation in another thread. Having enough honor to walk away and let a few of them carry on about a half dozen points already addressed to the Nth degree was not the same as admitting defeat so much as standing tall at my victory when I received my "Thank you" emails from several not actively involved in the thread, as well as one each from the the only two people that really mattered (you have to know one was Howard and I think you can guess who the other one was since I defended his website policies so often). I'm not going to belabor the point here since it will only serve to fuel the fire of those that 1) simply must have the final word in all discussions and 2) it only serves to waste time to try and discuss something with people so entrenched that civil discourse is meaningless. I again welcome Howard back as some of us asked him to remain and I again suggest to you that I have no freaking reply button (which would make life easier when I make my appearances here-feel free to email me all about upgrades if it's that important to you). I bear you no ill will but as before, I would ask that some people tone it down a few notches while I go knock out a few more reviews. Thanks in advance!

[Houstondon]

Fun, all kidding aside about my reviewing productivity, I welcome people that can provide a source of information in topics I try to keep up on, porn or not. I also get frustrated when I see them treated like shit by people that either have no interest in the field (meaning they probably have no business commenting) or try to bully them out. I'm aware of the difference between being too friendly and being too hostile (ask Howard how friendly I can be when I'm knocking what I consider to be a weaker DVD).

My comments about personal information are similar to the other member asking for information that Howard explained he could not give for legal reasons. There are limits to what people are allowed to provide, look it up. Andddddddddddd...., I think if you check things out, at least one of the participants is directly profiting from the material and the other is arguably doing so regardless of her lawsuit. Feel free to look it up.. Thanks!

[Mopower]

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[MovieExchange]

It's not "boorish" to question the motives and actions of a company, especially when their representative shows up to push the product in question. If a company does not want to answer these questions, then they shouldn't send their rep into a forum where they know he's going to be hit with them immediately.

Don, you are a friend of Howard and I know you get a lot of free DVD's from him and other companies, so it's understandable why you immediately jump to the defense of your buddy, so I guess I have to say I understand that you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you. You do, however, jump in with such a rabid attack dog attitude and with a complete inability to factually defend your position that it's laughable.


Lastly, as I recall, a few people were mighty unhappy that I had the balls to stand up to them repeatedly

From what I saw, people were "mighty unhappy" that you were condescending and insulting towards them just because they had the nerve to disagree with you. Sort of like how you responded to me, despite the fact that I had never said anything negative towards you.


I think if you check things out, at least one of the participants is directly profiting from the material and the other is arguably doing so regardless of her lawsuit. Feel free to look it up.. Thanks!

In other words, it's like the scumbag from Red Light District - "We have your tape, it doesn't matter if you want us to release it or not, it's going out. You can either make a little money off of it or no money."

Great practice you're defending there, Don... -ohbfrank-

[SWorldMegan]

I would like to point out something ... maybe of use maybe not.

Paris Hilton said she didn't want her tape out there, threatened legal action, etc, etc. Swore up and down she had nothing to do with the tape ... etc.

But shortly after it came out (which no company that is worth as much as Red Light or Vivid would put out a tape without proper docs) , Paris's Sidekick was hacked into.

Anyone remember one of her tasks/ note to self ... "Check from rick" and a note of clubredlight.com. She was obviously picking up a check from Rick ... her costar in her sex tape. She got paid.

Just because a star says in the press they didn't want something, or they do something and then their "people" convince them otherwise or say othrwise ... doesn't mean they didn't know EXACTLY what they were doing. Especially when your daddy is who he is ...

I don't think Vivid would risk everything over one tape ... i am sure they have ALL bases covered =)

Megan

[MovieExchange]

Just because a star says in the press they didn't want something, or they do something and then their "people" convince them otherwise or say othrwise ... doesn't mean they didn't know EXACTLY what they were doing. Especially when your daddy is who he is ...

I don't think Vivid would risk everything over one tape ... i am sure they have ALL bases covered =)

Let's say that Vivid does have permission from both Kim and Ray, and that Kim's threatened legal action is a ploy for more publicity. It very well could be. Even if that's the case, Vivid is trying to promote this as a tape that Kim doesn't want released. They're making it look like they're releasing it against her will. If they want to set themselves up to look like lowlifes, then they're going to get called lowlifes. It's the old saying "you made your bed, now lie in it."

It's just like that lowlife from Red Light. I've heard him in interviews claiming that he's distributing celeb sex tapes without the permission of one or both of the participants, and they can choose to either make no money off of it or they can give in and help promote it and at least make some cash. Now maybe he's full of shit and he has permission from both of them... but he's setting himself up to look like a scumbag, so he gets called one.

[boogieman03]

saw it, NOT REAL GOOD. she is obviously ridiculous but it's boring and terribly filmed. but damn she is gorgeous

Pretty much my take as well.

[CaptainMarvel]

But hey, maybe you can actually come up from under the bridge and provide a few facts of your own to dispute things... or is that beyond your capabilities?

Forget it. You'll only feed his self-satisfaction if you keep on arguing with him. Nearly every argument he gets into now devolves into him talking about what a straight shooter he is with his reviews, how he's tough but fair, and how he doesn't fancy himself an insider (while at the same time taking great pains to show that he, in fact, considers himself one). It's tiresome to see every thread get highjacked by it.

It's not right to pirate videos. I doubt most people were saying it is right. Most of the commentary stems from the fact that it's just laughable that a spokesperson for a company is trumpeting the release of a videotape depicting the private sexual acts of two people, apparently against the explicit wishes of at least one of the people involved in the tape*, while at the same time even attempting to take the moral high ground on another issue.

Not to mention the idiocy of a Vivid representative uttering a phrase like "[I] think there is something wrong with people who jack off to their computer. Just my opinion."

People resent having an agenda crammed down their throat, especially from the mouth of a not-too-bright hypocrite.

*: And I'm very aware that Ms. Kardashian may be involved, and only protesting/suing to hype the release... it doesn't matter. Howard and Vivid are still actively holding it out as if she's opposed to the release (see his previous "press release" threads on the issue).

[NatrlBornThrllr]

Don, since when is a matter closed with the simple, "you're wrong, but I can't tell you why you're wrong, or prove to you that you are wrong," response? Despite your notion to the contrary, this obviously isn't going to be a satisfactory method of addressing our concerns. I certainly don't think people are crossing a line (harrassment? please.) in asking for a more substantial answer than has been given thus far. After all, their questions are directed at a company rep who, if not here to merely plug his product, claims he is here to answer our questions. And until they're "legally able" to defend their actions, I suppose the folks at Vivid are just going to have to weather the shitstorm that comes with either A) releasing a sextape contrary to the pleas of it's own subject, or B) blatantly misleading their consumers.

Lastly, as I recall, a few people were mighty unhappy that I had the balls to stand up to them repeatedly, trying every trick in the book to derail my participation in another thread. Having enough honor to walk away and let a few of them carry on about a half dozen points already addressed to the Nth degree was not the same as admitting defeat so much as standing tall at my victory when I received my "Thank you" emails from several not actively involved in the thread, as well as one each from the the only two people that really mattered (you have to know one was Howard and I think you can guess who the other one was since I defended his website policies so often).

The balls to stand up to them? Defeat? Victory?
Why thank you, Don. At last, there's some helpful perspective.

I bear you no ill will

Over...this? Wow, yeah, I'd fucking hope not. :whofart:

[CaseyB]

I'm outraged by the fact this is classified as a "celebrity tape." The daughter of the lawyer known as Skunk Man who helped get OJ Simpson off screws some unknown loser rapper and this is a big deal? You said you've sold 100,000 copies of this so far....so why are you questioning the reviews and saying they're with other companies? Maybe you should go back to just answering those serious questions like "has ---- done anal?". :)

[howard@pulse]

again thanks for all the fan mail, the love is overwhelming.
I guess you guys really do like me.
Thanks again.
Would this be a good time to mention that we're shipping Janine Loves Jenna next week?

[howard@pulse]

I hate to break this to you, but just because I disagree with you and your lil' buddy, that does not make me a troll.

The facts are plainly clear - either Kim and/or Ray did not consent to this release and Vivid obtained it without their permission and released it - making Vivid look like a sleazy company. Or they both did consent and they & Vivid are trying to paint this as a "they don't want you to see it, but we're giving it to you anyway" release - which once again paints Vivid as a sleazy company.

But hey, maybe you can actually come up from under the bridge and provide a few facts of your own to dispute things... or is that beyond your capabilities?
dude I think you are giving this a little to much attention.

[howard@pulse]

You're attempting to equate physical property with intellectual "property." If I steal a pack of gum from you, you're no longer able to chew gum. The pleasure of enjoying your property is gone, I've deprived you of that. If I download this video from the internet, it doesn't prevent you from continuing to enjoy it and it doesn't even prevent you from continuing to sell copies of it to other people who might want it.
So is it ok to illegally download music?
Where you deprive the publishing company from making money.

[howard@pulse]

Yeah, either Vivid is a lousy operation or Howard owns it, but I'd have fired his ass if he represented my company on a forum like he has here.
I've been with Vivid for 18 years, the only saleperson in the business that has been with the same company for that amount of time.
Glad you're not my boss.

[howard@pulse]

I'm outraged by the fact this is classified as a "celebrity tape." The daughter of the lawyer known as Skunk Man who helped get OJ Simpson off screws some unknown loser rapper and this is a big deal? You said you've sold 100,000 copies of this so far....so why are you questioning the reviews and saying they're with other companies? Maybe you should go back to just answering those serious questions like "has ---- done anal?". :)
Just fyi Robert Kardashian dropped out of the case immediatly, he had nothing to do with "getting OJ off".
Check your facts.

[MovieExchange]

dude I think you are giving this a little to much attention.

Yawn. Keep avoiding the questions, Howard. It just makes you and Vivid look even worse. If you had any sense at all, you'd leave and pray that this shitstorm blows over by the time you want to come in here and shill your next release.

[howard@pulse]

Yawn. Keep avoiding the questions, Howard. It just makes you and Vivid look even worse. If you had any sense at all, you'd leave and pray that this shitstorm blows over by the time you want to come in here and shill your next release.
all your questions have been answered 100 times. If you're so damn intelligent, figure it out for yourself.
This shitstorm doesn't effect Vivid or me at all.
The shit storm is in your head.
I'm shilling nothing or I wouldn't have used my real name, unlike you that hides behind some fake moniker.
you are boring me.

[howard@pulse]

If you want to be nasty, i can play that game too.

[crazyronin]

Just fyi Robert Kardashian dropped out of the case immediatly, he had nothing to do with "getting OJ off".
Check your facts.

rotfl

From Robert Kardashian's obit at CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/10/01/OJattorney.dead/index.html)

Former O.J. Simpson lawyer, Kardashian, dies

Wednesday, October 1, 2003 Posted: 11:39 PM EDT (0339 GMT)



LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Robert Kardashian, a member of O.J. Simpson's defense team, has died of cancer, Simpson told CNN Wednesday.

He was 59 and had cancer of the esophagus, the Associated Press reported.

Kardashian died at home Tuesday, another friend said.

"It's shocking when a friend close to you passes," Simpson said. "I loved Bobby."

"We had one disagreement over the years, about a book he did for money," he said. "He explained it to me, I understood it, and we put it aside."

Simpson added, "Bob was there when I needed him most."

When Simpson failed to turn himself in to authorities to face murder charges on June 17, 1994, it was Kardashian who went before TV cameras and read an emotional letter from his long-time friend.

It read in part, "I've had a great life, great friends. Please think of the real O.J. and not this lost person."

Simpson had spent the night at Kardashian's home and was to report to police headquarters the next day to be booked for the murders of his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend, waiter Ron Goldman. Instead, Simpson and friend Al Cowlings hit the road in a white Ford Bronco, leading police on an hours-long, nationally televised, slow-speed chase that ended at Simpson's Brentwood home, where he was taken into custody.

Kardashian stood alongside Simpson and the rest of his attorneys when the "not guilty" verdicts were read October 3, 1995. To some observers, Kardashian appeared to have a look of disbelief on his face. And in later years, Kardashian said he questioned whether Simpson was involved in the two stabbing deaths.

When Kardashian was added to Simpson's defense team, there was speculation that it was so he would not be forced to testify against his friend -- something that would have violated the attorney-client privilege.

[Deftones]

At least he's not alive to see his daughter boning Jay Ray or Ray Jay or whatever the fuck his name is. Jury is still out, though, if he's rolling over in his grave.

[rayw69]

If you want to be nasty, i can play that game too.

You know, I'm not sure you are even capable of doing that.

Thus far, you've been unable to engage in any thoughtful conversation about intellectual property and what constitutes theft. Argued for the existance of Karma. Showed the complete inability to arrange your posts in any paragraph form. And managed to convince a bunch of people on this forum that you are not only a hypocrite, but a horrible public representative for a company.

Now, this isn't to say that I think you are a complete idiot. If I go to a minor league baseball game, and some pitcher I have never heard of gives up 5 runs in the first inning, I can't immediately assume he sucks. The guy could be the next big prospect having a great year. Perhaps I just saw his only bad outing. But based on what I saw, I certainly wouldn't just assume said player was a future star, when everything that happened was contradictory to that assumption.

Obviously, I can't know how good you are at your job. It might be the case that you are as great as you profess to be. However, I certainly haven't seen a shred of compentence thus far. Since all I know about you is what I read here, it would be quite the leap me to think you are good at what you do, when all available information suggests otherwise.

You're welcome to try to play nasty here. But I doubt you're going to be successful.

[CaseyB]

Stop jerking off to the free porn that's too weird to wack off to online and get your facts straight. http://www.cnn.com/US/9609/12/simpson.pretrial/oj.verdict.jpg He's right there in the picture....none the less....his whore daughter shouldn't be considered a celebrity.

[MovieExchange]

If you want to be nasty, i can play that game too.

You're not even close being nasty. But please try harder, because I can honestly tell you that I and several others in this forum would love to be able to report you for violating forum rules. Then we wouldn't have to worry about you promising to leave but then coming back, because you'd be banned.

Don't come in and shill a product unless you're prepared to answer questions, Howie. If you're not going to answer questions (and claiming some bullshit like a confidentiality agreement doesn't cut it), expect people to call you out on it.


I'm shilling nothing or I wouldn't have used my real name, unlike you that hides behind some fake moniker

Your grip on sanity is getting even more tenuous as this goes on, isn't it?

[NatrlBornThrllr]

I've been with Vivid for 18 years, the only saleperson in the business that has been with the same company for that amount of time.
Glad you're not my boss.

Your long tenure at Vivid isn't surprising in the least. As it turns out, you're quite the salesperson. In fact, it's downright astounding...how you managed to so thoroughly convince some very important people here that you weren't selling anything at all.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled...

[Original Desmond]

Houstondon , as a adult dvdtalk reviewer you obviously have a blatant personal interest for Howard to stay around and not get harassed. Vivid is a big company. That is fair enough mate.

Howard mate, i want you to stay around and continue to give us heads up on your new releases. I alway need pointers on what new porn to um acquire :)

[Graftenberg]

Would this be a good time to mention that we're shipping Janine Loves Jenna next week?

I would like to hear about that? Is it going to be 2 disc, and what extras will it have? :)

Is DVDTalk going to review it?

[howard@pulse]

I would like to hear about that? Is it going to be 2 disc, and what extras will it have? :)

Is DVDTalk going to review it?
Yes it will be reviewed.
It is Jennas first new boy/girl scenes to be released in 2 years.
It was shot last year, so for the ones that will say who wants to see Jenna now, it was when she was, let's say with more poundage.
It is a 2 disc set and is really amazing.
It was shot on a $300k budget.
Janine is simply beautiful and takes quite a pounding, not unlike me in this forum.
the cast is quite extensive, shot in hd.
I hope you like it, and thanks for asking.

[howard@pulse]

Your long tenure at Vivid isn't surprising in the least. As it turns out, you're quite the salesperson. In fact, it's downright astounding...how you managed to so thoroughly convince some very important people here that you weren't selling anything at all.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled...
Thank you!

[howard@pulse]

You're not even close being nasty. But please try harder, because I can honestly tell you that I and several others in this forum would love to be able to report you for violating forum rules. Then we wouldn't have to worry about you promising to leave but then coming back, because you'd be banned.

Don't come in and shill a product unless you're prepared to answer questions, Howie. If you're not going to answer questions (and claiming some bullshit like a confidentiality agreement doesn't cut it), expect people to call you out on it.




Your grip on sanity is getting even more tenuous as this goes on, isn't it?
Nope.
I'm sorry my answers don't "cut it " for you.
I can only answer the truth.
what do you want me to say, tell you Vivids private business, I can't and I won't.
What is your real name and what company do you work for?
It's an honest question, why won't you answer instead of questioning my sanity, which by the way is doing very well thank you.

[howard@pulse]

rotfl

From Robert Kardashian's obit at CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/10/01/OJattorney.dead/index.html)
robert kardashian withdrew from the OJ trial day one.
He was Oj personal attorney for years.
Shapiro and Johnny Cochoron {sic} were the trial lawyers.

[howard@pulse]

You know, I'm not sure you are even capable of doing that.

Thus far, you've been unable to engage in any thoughtful conversation about intellectual property and what constitutes theft. Argued for the existance of Karma. Showed the complete inability to arrange your posts in any paragraph form. And managed to convince a bunch of people on this forum that you are not only a hypocrite, but a horrible public representative for a company.

Now, this isn't to say that I think you are a complete idiot. If I go to a minor league baseball game, and some pitcher I have never heard of gives up 5 runs in the first inning, I can't immediately assume he sucks. The guy could be the next big prospect having a great year. Perhaps I just saw his only bad outing. But based on what I saw, I certainly wouldn't just assume said player was a future star, when everything that happened was contradictory to that assumption.

Obviously, I can't know how good you are at your job. It might be the case that you are as great as you profess to be. However, I certainly haven't seen a shred of compentence thus far. Since all I know about you is what I read here, it would be quite the leap me to think you are good at what you do, when all available information suggests otherwise.

You're welcome to try to play nasty here. But I doubt you're going to be successful.
I was addressing movie exchange, but thanks for your point of view.

[Graftenberg]

Yes it will be reviewed.
It is Jennas first new boy/girl scenes to be released in 2 years.
It was shot last year, so for the ones that will say who wants to see Jenna now, it was when she was, let's say with more poundage.
It is a 2 disc set and is really amazing.
It was shot on a $300k budget.
Janine is simply beautiful and takes quite a pounding, not unlike me in this forum.
the cast is quite extensive, shot in hd.
I hope you like it, and thanks for asking.

:rock2: Who else is in it?

[Bandoman]

Janine is simply beautiful and takes quite a pounding, not unlike me in this forum.


:lol: Ok, that's funny. I have to give you props for having a sense of humor.

[crazyronin]

robert kardashian withdrew from the OJ trial day one.
He was Oj personal attorney for years.
Shapiro and Johnny Cochoron {sic} were the trial lawyers.

LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Robert Kardashian, a member of O.J. Simpson's defense team, has died of cancer, Simpson told CNN Wednesday

Who to believe, CNN or howard@vivid?

Its a puzzle wrapped in an enigma... :shrug: .

[CaptainMarvel]

Who to believe, CNN or howard@vivid?

Its a puzzle wrapped in an enigma... :shrug: .

From Kardashian's wikipedia entry:

Kardashian and O.J. first met while playing tennis, back in the early 1970s. They had been close friends ever since. When O.J. was charged with murder, it had been 20 years since Kardashian was last in a courtroom. Kardashian's was a graduate of USC law school and his license to practice law had expired three years before. He reactivated his license to aid in O.J.'s defense, as a volunteer on his legal team. He sat by O.J. throughout the trial.

[Wildo1966]

Yes it will be reviewed.
It is Jennas first new boy/girl scenes to be released in 2 years.
It was shot last year, so for the ones that will say who wants to see Jenna now, it was when she was, let's say with more poundage.
It is a 2 disc set and is really amazing.
It was shot on a $300k budget.
Janine is simply beautiful and takes quite a pounding, not unlike me in this forum.
the cast is quite extensive, shot in hd.
I hope you like it, and thanks for asking.

Old footage is the only way ANYONE will want to see Jenna again...She has got to be one of the most UN-attractive porn stars around these days. She honestly looks like she is dying....

[howard@pulse]

From Kardashian's wikipedia entry:
He sat by, he don't do anything.
He was a personal friend of OJs, he was afraid he would be called as a witness so he did not aid in his defense.
BTW...who cares.

[howard@pulse]

Old footage is the only way ANYONE will want to see Jenna again...She has got to be one of the most UN-attractive porn stars around these days. She honestly looks like she is dying....
Thank you for adding that, I believe I said it was shot a year ago.
She is not dying, if you scroll through the thread she addressed why she is looking the way she does.
I'm sure she will be back and doing fine.

[howard@pulse]

:rock2: Who else is in it?
Jenna Jameson
Janine
Justin Sterling
Julian
Justine Joli
Jerry
Reno
Dominica Leoni
Cherokee
Veronica Lynn
Sativa Rose
Nicole Brazzle
Mario Rossi
Naudia Nice
Manuel Ferrara
Katja Kassin
Tommy Gunn
Wendy Alverez
Dolph De Berneval
David LaVera
Vincent Vega
Vera Vanguard
Horace --- NON SEX

[Wildo1966]

OH great, another Jenna movie where she bangs her ex-husband...How many times have we seen this already??

[crazyronin]

He sat by, he don't do anything.
He was a personal friend of OJs, he was afraid he would be called as a witness so he did not aid in his defense.


Actually howard, he was on the defense team precisely because that would prevent him having to testify against oj.

[KFelon]

Whoever edited the tape turned it into shit. It constantly jumps every other minute from sex to something else. It's completely destroyed & unenjoyable because of the editing. Hopefully someone will fan-edit this atrocity & piece the sex scene back together in it's actual order.

[NatrlBornThrllr]

He sat by, he don't do anything.
He was a personal friend of OJs, he was afraid he would be called as a witness so he did not aid in his defense.
BTW...who cares.

rotfl

[howard@pulse]

Actually howard, he was on the defense team precisely because that would prevent him having to testify against oj.
my bad, that is correct, but he still did nothing during the entire trial.

[NatrlBornThrllr]

rotfl rotfl

[howard@pulse]

OH great, another Jenna movie where she bangs her ex-husband...How many times have we seen this already??
I'm sorry you feel that way.
But you have never seen her with Janine.
The movie is excellent.

[NatrlBornThrllr]

Howard, what's the last Vivid movie that you felt was a piece of shit?

[Rockmjd23]

Howard, what's the last Vivid movie that you felt was a piece of shit?
Probably the last one that was released before he was hired.

[Original Desmond]

Whoever edited the tape turned it into shit. It constantly jumps every other minute from sex to something else. It's completely destroyed & unenjoyable because of the editing. Hopefully someone will fan-edit this atrocity & piece the sex scene back together in it's actual order.

This was done to stretch the action out. There really is only around 5 mins of actual sex action, if the video was 30 mins of Kim K walking around and just 5-10 mins of sex at the end, then that would look a lot worse and even more of a rip off.

Look on second viewing as far as celeb sex tapes go, it's not terrible. Kim's hotness saves it. Compared to recent efforts like Keeley Hazel's sex tape, Screech and others, you know it could have been worse.

Howard mate, serious question, any chance of getting a Tito Ortiz and Jenna sex tape ? as an MMA fan, i would pay to see Tito in action.

[howard@pulse]

This was done to stretch the action out. There really is only around 5 mins of actual sex action, if the video was 30 mins of Kim K walking around and just 5-10 mins of sex at the end, then that would look a lot worse and even more of a rip off.

Look on second viewing as far as celeb sex tapes go, it's not terrible. Kim's hotness saves it. Compared to recent efforts like Keeley Hazel's sex tape, Screech and others, you know it could have been worse.

Howard mate, serious question, any chance of getting a Tito Ortiz and Jenna sex tape ? as an MMA fan, i would pay to see Tito in action.
I happen to agree with everything you said, just the opening of shot of kim makes it worth it.
I don't think Tito is into doing porn.
But i would be glad to get you an autograph from him. Just email me at howard@pulsedistribution.com

[howard@pulse]

Howard, what's the last Vivid movie that you felt was a piece of shit?
Pam and Tommy.
Our worst movie is usually better than the average fare out there.
You can't hit a homerun every time at bat.
Lately I think the Vivid dvds are very good, since we made it condom optional about 2 years ago, our stuff has been really decent.
Burnt Fury with Lanny Barby is excellent, the alt stuff is excellent, Chemistry by Triston Tarimino, excellent.
Where The Boys Aren't 18 with Tera is killer.
I was not a big Mercedez fan, so I personally didn't like her stuff, but other people loved it.
I hope that answers your question.

[howard@pulse]

Probably the last one that was released before he was hired.
That would have been Blame It on Ginger, and I liked that.

[xage]

Howard@vivid, Dude I just received your parcel and thanks for this wonderful overall Free Compliment.

Is this the new Vivid trademark for DVD? the "Yellow" thing? and was the packaging you sold at the market same as this? in digipack?


http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b221/xage00/KIMK.jpg

[Wildo1966]

Howard@vivid, Dude I just received your parcel and thanks for this wonderful overall Free Compliment.

Is this the new Vivid trademark for DVD? the "Yellow" thing? and was the packaging you sold at the market same as this? in digipack?


http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b221/xage00/KIMK.jpg

I can't believe someone actually paid for this crap....

[Houstondon]

Howard,
thanks for remaining while under the glaring spotlight of the junior blacklist squad. I wasn't a fan of Mercedez either and think the overall quality of your titles has gone up in recent years. Who are your current roster of contract gals actively making flicks these days?
Oh, and for those who want to check out the reviews here on DVD Talk: Vivid Titles reviewed at DVD Talk (www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/list.php?studioID=115&orderBy=Date&reviewType=Adult+DVD+Video&NReviews=50)

[howard@pulse]

Howard@vivid, Dude I just received your parcel and thanks for this wonderful overall Free Compliment.

Is this the new Vivid trademark for DVD? the "Yellow" thing? and was the packaging you sold at the market same as this? in digipack?


http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b221/xage00/KIMK.jpg
we used the yellow disc only for kim.
yes it all went in digipacks.
I hope you like it, I think she is a 20 on a 10 scale.

[howard@pulse]

I can't believe someone actually paid for this crap....
Not just someone, 100k someones.
I don't know what is such crap, the digipack is beautiful, he got a hardcore bonus disc with unreleased scenes and another bonus disc, also hardcore.
He didn't seem to be complaining one bit.
But thanks for your opinion.
Did you see it by the way or our you just bashing it for the fun of it?

[howard@pulse]

Howard,
thanks for remaining while under the glaring spotlight of the junior blacklist squad. I wasn't a fan of Mercedez either and think the overall quality of your titles has gone up in recent years. Who are your current roster of contract gals actively making flicks these days?
Oh, and for those who want to check out the reviews here on DVD Talk: Vivid Titles reviewed at DVD Talk (www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/list.php?studioID=115&orderBy=Date&reviewType=Adult+DVD+Video&NReviews=50)
thanks don, after they see your reviews they will see some are good, some are not as good.
It is all personal taste.
I'm obviously the wrong person to ask, I sell it, so to me everything is really good, and some are even better than that.
Lanny Barby
Briana Banks
The Twins
Monique Alexander
Cassidey
Stefani Morgan
Savanna Samson
Kayden Kross...very hot
Brea Lynn
Tera Patrick
Jenna Jameson
Don, you know me, I've never been the Henry Kissinger of porn, But I wil answer the legit questions on this site, the haters won't ever change and they are not really Vivid customers in the first place.
The Vivid customers know that we go to any lengths to make them happy, and we always strive to make a better product everyday.
Steven has taken Vivid from a small mom and pop company to the largest manufactuer of adult product in the world.
Vivid has done more for the business than any other company, first and foremost by mainstreaming adult.
Thank you for all your support, and thank you to the guys and gals on this forum, we all have the right to express our own opinions, isn't this a great country.

[Houstondon]

"Don, you know me, I've never been the Henry Kissinger of porn, But I wil answer the legit questions on this site, the haters won't ever change and they are not really Vivid customers in the first place."

I know that your style irritates a few people here and I've been working on the compromise I suggested might work best for all involved. You're right though that they aren't the audience you're going to pick up, especially the thieves, but I appreciate you coming back. I expect to get the KK DVD in today's mail and will offer up a look at the actual disc rather than the downloaded version some were probably relying on. I suspect it will prove to be one of the biggest sellers of the year for any company by year's end as a lot of people check it out strictly based on Kim's look or the notoriety behind the release.

Oh, and I was told by a couple of people that they'd be just fine with whatever you post (don't go too far) as long as you provided pictures of the gals being discussed/starring in the movies you're commenting on (just nothing too explicit since that is not allowed). :)

PS: I'm also expecting to get Eastside Story so I hope all the comments by Eon and Dana prove to be correct (as you know, other reviewers jump on the alt titles really fast).

[Wildo1966]

Not just someone, 100k someones.
I don't know what is such crap, the digipack is beautiful, he got a hardcore bonus disc with unreleased scenes and another bonus disc, also hardcore.
He didn't seem to be complaining one bit.
But thanks for your opinion.
Did you see it by the way or our you just bashing it for the fun of it?

Yes I have seen the entire dvd (for free) and I can say with 100% certainty I would not spend one red cent on this dvd. Yes Kim is gorgeous but this was one terrible celebrity porn tape, whoever edited/put it together should be banned for life in the porn business. I'll take Red Light District celebrity porn anyday of the week....

[howard@pulse]

Yes I have seen the entire dvd (for free) and I can say with 100% certainty I would not spend one red cent on this dvd. Yes Kim is gorgeous but this was one terrible celebrity porn tape, whoever edited/put it together should be banned for life in the porn business. I'll take Red Light District celebrity porn anyday of the week....
Thank you for your input, I totally disagree, Redlight makes a great product.
You're right, Kim K is no Screech, but we have to work with what we have.
We didn't have the luxury of sending PT over to direct this one.
Pam and Tommy was 7 minutes of sex, it has sold over a million copies.
Paris was shot in nightvision, people complained but it has sold over 250k units.
This was shot with great lighting, she is stunning, there was great sex in it and people are buying it, enjoying it, and reordering it.
It is what it is.
I've seen it 10 times at the very least, and as far as I'm concerned, just the opening shot of her is well worth the price of admission.
Again thanks for your opinion.

[dvd-4-life]

40 bucks at Adult DVD Empire for 40 minutes of porn-no thanks.

[howard@pulse]

40 bucks at Adult DVD Empire for 40 minutes of porn-no thanks.
I think they have discount coupons.
You can probably get in for .75 cents a minute.

[spainlinx0]

I would buy more porn if the prices weren't so outrageous. I'm very picky about my porn, and may only like one scene, if even that. Also I prefer the more amateur stuff. However I have bought a few of the Vivid "Compilation" 4 hour dvds back when I believe FiveStar had those sales where I could get them for like 8 bucks. Those were sort of worth it, although I notice you guys like to double dip on scenes from one compilation to another. Still, an OK price. There is no way in hell I would ever pay 40 for a porn movie though. I don't care who is in it. My girlfriend wants to see Jenna Loves Pain, but I haven't been able to find a price under 15 so no luck on that one. Anything you can do to help me out on that would be appreciated Howard. :)

[soggypie]

Paris was shot in nightvision, people complained but it has sold over 250k units.
This was shot with great lighting, she is stunning,

what? -confused- are you talking about the same person?because as far as I know,nightvision and great lighting aren't the same thing.And if you are,Paris is anything but stunning.She just screams anorexic skank

[Houstondon]

He was suggesting that the Paris video looked crappy and that the Kim video looked far better as it had a more attractive subject and better lighting. :)

[Patman]

I find raccoon eyes sexy. :D

[xage]

Dude, I definitely like it - from packaging, exclusivity and presentation! Too bad most commented negatively (as if they own the original DVD). I like the bonus preview disc too, its jampacked.


Howard@vivid, Dude I just received your parcel and thanks for this wonderful overall Free Compliment.

Is this the new Vivid trademark for DVD? the "Yellow" thing? and was the packaging you sold at the market same as this? in digipack?


http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b221/xage00/KIMK.jpg

we used the yellow disc only for kim.
yes it all went in digipacks.
I hope you like it, I think she is a 20 on a 10 scale.

[Jadow]

I think they have discount coupons.
You can probably get in for .75 cents a minute.

I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING AWAY SHILL

[xage]

Dude, I definitely like it - from packaging, exclusivity and presentation! Too bad most commented negatively (as if they own the original DVD). I like the bonus preview disc too, its jampacked.


Howard@vivid, Dude I just received your parcel and thanks for this wonderful overall Free Compliment.

Is this the new Vivid trademark for DVD? the "Yellow" thing? and was the packaging you sold at the market same as this? in digipack?


http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b221/xage00/KIMK.jpg

we used the yellow disc only for kim.
yes it all went in digipacks.
I hope you like it, I think she is a 20 on a 10 scale.

[soggypie]

He was suggesting that the Paris video looked crappy and that the Kim video looked far better as it had a more attractive subject and better lighting. :)

thank you.
she is pretty hot,but....'Superstar'?
no.

[Houstondon]

Hmmm, curvy figure, exotic face, and a set of sweet DSL's... That would make her hot but what makes a superstar is how well she puts all of it into action so I'll reserve judgement until I watch the DVD in the next few days. Though I suppose it would be fair to point out that a number of gals claiming the title "superstar" in the last 20 years of porn had a lot less going for them and were lousy in the sack on camera... ;)

[NatrlBornThrllr]

Hmmm, curvy figure, exotic face, and a set of sweet DSL's... That would make her hot but what makes a superstar is how well she puts all of it into action so I'll reserve judgement until I watch the DVD in the next few days. Though I suppose it would be fair to point out that a number of gals claiming the title "superstar" in the last 20 years of porn had